华理克贴图惹大量批评终道歉并删除图片（9月27日消息）

华理克贴图惹大量批评
终道歉并删除图片
（9月27日消息）

时代论坛 / 2013年9月27日

华理克于Facebook上的道歉贴文

【时代论坛讯】美国马鞍峰教会主任牧师、《标竿人生》作者华理克牧师于九月廿三日在其Facebook上发表一幅中国文革时期一名女红卫兵的相片，结果引来大量批评，包括一些亚裔教牧。华理克于事后道歉并删除该图片。

华理克在九月廿三日发布该张图片，图片中显示一个身穿革命衣服、面上展露笑容和朝气的女红卫兵。华理克于图片描述写上「（这是）马鞍峰职员每天开始工作时的典型态度」（The typical attitude of Saddleback Staff as they start work each day.）。

图片发布后，随即惹来大量回应和讨论，有人批评华理克文化触觉差劲，亦有人支持华理克认为图片没有问题，图片更获得约四千个「赞」。华理克其后在其Facebook上回应指自己只是在开玩笑，指大家不应对这贴文太认真，认为根据希伯来式的说话进路，耶稣在登山宝训中其实也插入了一些幽默的元素。

香港浸信会神学院新约副教授曾思瀚博士于同日在其网志上撰写了一篇名为〈华理克、文化触觉及使命〉（Rick Warren, Cultural Sensitivity, and Mission）的文章来回应事件。该文指出红卫兵惹起中国人的痛苦回忆和反感的因由，指出华理克对文化差异敏感度不足，更批评华理克所指耶稣幽默的无理。他更指出即将在香港建立的马鞍峰香港分会网页上只有英文，就像到美国用中文网页接触说英语的人一样。华理克其后回应曾思瀚的网志时感谢他的教导，并指该图片已即时删除。

此外，事情惹起于美国从事多元种族事工的亚裔传道人Kathy Khang于其网志上发出一封对华理克的公开信，指华理克的贴图是对很多人的侵犯，也不是合适的玩笑。西雅图Quest Church的韩裔创会牧师Eugene Cho指出应该从这次事件中谦卑学习，知道人看事情是有盲点的。

华理克于九月廿五日晚上再次在其Facebook上回应事件，向所有因为他不够敏感而受到伤害的人道歉。

（综合报道）

（http://christiantimes.org.hk，时代论坛每日新闻，2013.09.27）

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虞瑋倩 / 2013-09-27 21:18:39

一些香港信徒的回應

Dear Pastor Rick Warren,

Since you will be establishing your church in Hong Kong, I as a Chinese person living in that city would like to let you know how we feel about your actions this week.

Your initial post of the Red Guard image was a foolish gaffe, but I had given you the benefit of the doubt by treating it as a mistake made out of momentary bad judgement. I decided to overlook it despite the unearthing of your previous speech regarding Maoist ideals, which indicated you probably understood the connotations of associating the Cultural Revolution with your staff's work ethic (http://stevesrambling.blogspot.ca/...). Of course, countless Christians were persecuted and killed in that same revolution, but perhaps you were not really implying that Christian persecution is a true characterization of the typical attitude of your staff, nor that you celebrate such acts. As for myself, I have also made awkward cultural jokes before that weren't funny but were actually inappropriate. We all have. It is regrettable.

However, what made me feel very sick was the condescending and seemingly dismissive attitude from you and your supporters, as evidenced by the responses of the 'you need to learn to take a joke' nature. This is compounded by the fact that Saddleback is planting a church here and hoping to draw the very people you offended and brushed off. Yes, Christians in Hong Kong also felt great offense at your insensitivity. We may not blog in English or we may not run blogs with a massive audience/following like Eugene Cho, but we do have feelings.

Your brush-offs - and what I felt was a disrespectful attitude - made me realize that we Christians in Hong Kong don’t want that kind of leadership here. Neither would we want to be around a body part of Christ who feels that another part of the same body can be ignored, on the basis that we Asians are perceived as just being whiny, easily offended or thin-skinned. In fact, there were even accusations from your supporters that we were ‘being unloving by holding a grudge’ (posted on your Facebook wall), and one of your own replies inferred that we were being 'self-righteous'. The truth is, we felt we raised legitimate concerns about your attitude and responses in the handling of the whole matter.

For a dialogue on why the opinions of Asian Americans -- and soon, Asians in Hong Kong -- matter as a part of your congregation and on a larger scale, the current church scene, please refer to Tim Tseng's blog post here: http://timtseng.net/.../. We understand that you want Christians in Hong Kong (yes, the ones whom you hope will be attending your church in order to bring non-Christians to Saddleback HK so that it will grow) to feel welcome at Saddleback when it opens here, on the basis that they are also a part of the body of Christ. We hope you - and your supporters - will not suddenly disown that part of the body when we express our concern and opinions, alongside our Chinese-American counterparts. If you do so, it is my guess, but it’s likely the non-Christians probably won’t want to come to your church here.

I, for one, was curious about Saddleback coming to Hong Kong even though I already have a church I am attending. In fact, I signed up to attend your wife Kay Warren's seminar in Hong Kong, though it was canceled because of the personal family tragedy that occurred just shortly before the scheduled date. I wanted to hear what your wife was going to say on behalf of your ministry and why it would have any relation to Hong Kong. Now, I don't intend to change churches, but we often refer people to local English-speaking churches, as we know of a great many expats and travelers that come to Hong Kong (I assume these are your target audiences for Saddleback Hong Kong). After this fiasco, I most certainly would not recommend Saddleback because the leadership has proven itself most unwise.

That is the sad but true effects of your actions. It turns people away from your ministry. For you to have said such things, refuse to engage in meaningful dialogue, remain reticent on the matter, and then go on to promote your new church here is akin to feeding us spiritual food with one hand and slapping us with the other. We’re Chinese, but that doesn’t mean we’re in need of charity or stupid. We, too, need the gospel spread to us, but we can tell when someone is being disrespectful, even if our voice is very small. As Chinese people, we don’t always get confrontational. Our way of showing our loss of respect is to disengage. That is an Asian cultural nuance. It means that we stay quiet in some ways (I don't have a blog nor will I be contacting any reporters at this present stage), but it also means we won’t be going to your church, nor will we recommend others to your church.

Perhaps it sounds like we are being passive aggressive by disengaging here and quietly withdrawing any kind of support for Saddleback, but so far, bloggers like Sam Tseng, Kathy Khang et al. have by no means cut off dialogue with you. They have tried to engage you. But your silence is causing greater offense. I quote Sam Tsang in the article in Religion News Service: “But [Rick Warren's] silence is as hurtful as his link he posted today, as if to tell us to ‘get over it because we’re moving on.’ (http://www.religionnews.com/.../)

I am not a famous blogger nor do I have any sort of big influence in Christian circles in Hong Kong. But I do believe I am speaking on behalf of many ordinary Christians here in Hong Kong to say that we do not want to offer our support, endorsement, or positive opinion of Saddleback Church in Hong Kong or elsewhere, until we see that you make a genuine attempt at reconciliation in this whole matter.

I have noted that you have deleted negative comments or comments asking for your apology regarding this matter from your Facebook page, including my comments and my friend's comments posted yesterday. I will be taking a screenshot of this comment upon Saddleback Hong Kong's Facebook page and posting this letter as a comment on other blogs too. We hope that you will not continue to handle this matter by censorship so that your supporters or other visitors to your page will have only a certain perception of you.

Yours sincerely,

A. Mak.

Emanuel Leung:
Rick, I know Americans think Asians beat around the bush alot and bow and say "arigato" and do a kungfu pose with chopsticks after. Well, I'll say it straight up: I lost respect for you and your organization because of the way you responded to a cultural insensitivity. Would you make a joke about slavery to Blacks or the Holocaust to Jews? Because to us overseas Chinese the Cultural Revolution is akin to that, especially for Chinese Christians. I do not see a reason for you to come here. I hope you do not come here. Hong Kong has plenty of strong, bible-believing (and yes, English speaking!) churches and really do not need another competitor in our crowded church scene. So, honestly, please do not come here. We do not welcome you here. Sincerely, A concerned Chinese Christian in Hong Kong

More here:
http://www.religionnews.com/2013/09/25/rick-warren-gets-backlash-asian-american-christians-posting-photo/

張國棟 / 2013-09-27 14:23:10

少許補充

事件裡最大的問題是華里克把問題說成別人敏感，擺出滿不在乎的態度。他不懂那些歷史文化問題，可以理解（但也不盡然，因他卻又要來香港開分堂），但當別人指出後他卻拒絕立刻更正，倒要求別人懂得開玩笑。（還要留意，他起初貼出那圖時卻不似是想開玩笑，而是完全不知有那些歷史文化問題，叫人懂得開玩笑，是否有點不誠實？）他的道歉也不像真是覺得自己有錯，比較像是公關救亡多於真誠致歉。

另一邊廂，華里克的支持者在批評者的博客上留言謾罵，例如質問對方是否重新得救的信徒、質問對方是否為了搏出位所以來批評華里克等等。希望華里克會呼籲他的信眾克制，而不是扮看不見地讓支持者替他出出氣。

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