影音使团于荷兰及北京举行方舟记者会（5月17日消息）

影音使团于荷兰及北京
举行方舟记者会
（5月17日消息）

时代论坛 / 2010年5月17日

影音使团「挪亚方舟国际事工」于四月廿八日在北京及五月十一日在荷兰举行记者会，并在官方网页发布相关资讯（www.noahsarksearch.net/big5/release_holland.php）。

荷兰记者会

在荷兰记者会上，除了曾拍摄片段（www.noahsarksearch.net/big5/content05.php）支持方舟发现的荷兰方舟探索者Mr. Gerrit Aalten解释自己的看法外，亦有地质学家Dr. Tom Zoutewelle分析有关木结构在冰山上确有可能保存数千年。而美国方舟探索家John McIntosh亦表示从拍摄到的影片和相片看来，有关巨型木结构很有可能是方舟，但需进一步研究确定。他在一份公开声明中补充，有关证据有待独立人士核实，据他了解华裔探索队和土耳其学者在这方面将继续下工夫，他相信更多木结构和物料的样本需要被采集和验证。

而土耳其国会议员Mehmet Hanifi Alir和阿勒省的文化部长Muhsin Bulut亦有出席该个记者会。挪亚方舟国际事工的官方网页引述该位国会议员表示：「这是一个非常重要的工作，我感到很高兴。如我刚才所说的，我们的国会以及政府会鼎力支持探索并愿意全力提供协助。」而阿勒省文化部长则批评美国方舟探索者Dr. Randall Price指木结构属伪造的讲法：「他所发表的公开言论完全是侮辱了我们的人民。我认识挪亚方舟国际事工，我对他们（挪亚方舟国际事工及国民）是绝对信任。」

埃图鲁专访

另外，影音使团亦在网页公布专访探索队领队埃图鲁（Mr. Ertuğrul, Ahmet a.k.a. Parasut）的最新片段（www.noahsarksearch.net/big5/content06.php），集中回应Price的言论，并反质疑对方的诚信。

在片段中，Parasut指探索队作了一件美事，就是找到方舟，连土耳其的伊斯兰政府也承认这次是基督教团体发现方舟，让基督教的信息可以传开；但Price的行为却像梦魇一样，Parasut认为这可能是出于妒忌，并认为Price不是一个好的弟兄，因为好的弟兄不会指其他弟兄是骗子。他又认为好的基督徒应该协助发现方舟，而不应拒绝和杯葛。

在访问中，Parasut更直接质疑Price的学术专业和诚信：指他过去只在以色列从事考古，在土耳其只是游客，并指他在阿拉腊山进行冰雪研究时，将挖了一米说成挖了五米。

在片段尾声，Parasut批评Price只是想在方舟探索的相关报道中有自己的名字出现，但他深信探索方舟的工作不会因一个人而被破坏。他更挑战Price若确信木结构伪造，可找证人出来对质，看谁人丢脸，并再次强调「方舟已经被找到」，大家可以一同分享成果。

（www.christiantimes.org.hk，时代论坛每日快拍，2010.5.17）

舊回應7則

Hin / 2010-05-19 16:07:32

To Tevah: can you do more?

MEDIA is trying play safe by putting everything upon the shoulder of Parasut and other "experts" so that in case it is confirmed that the whole thing is a hoax, they will be safe.

But they can't get out of this because in the first place, they have send the wrong people to explore the ARK. Secondly, they haven't consider serious enough the concerns and doubts that many people raised since 2004.

Well, they are responsible at the end. Once again, if we review their claims in 2004 and now, their approaches are very very similar. I am sad to see so many "pastors" and Christians fell for their claim.

Tevah, is there any way you can document your findings and present that at the 5/28 meeting next week?

For us, who has no personal interest (benefits) from this, we are just trying to review the truth and protect the public, not only the Christian public but also the non-Christian public.

The more we looked into this, the more we asked about this, the more suspicious this become. I am amazed that so many respected "pastor" are being used by MEDIA.

When I read the 40+ news report on MEDIA's site, there is none that actually confirm their findings. They just report what MEDIA said without commenting nor confirming but MEDIA said that they have receive high commendation from different news agencies. What a lie?

Also, in their website, they only present those who encourages them to continue the search and those who are happy to see what might happen but they won't include one single comment from other "experts" regarding their doubts and facts that are against MEDIA's claim. The only one they included is Dr. Price and there are a lot more besides Dr. Price. The reason they included Dr. Price because they need to attack him and his integrity in order to build their own.

They are blowing a balloon and it is getting bigger and bigger and it will burst soon.

What is true can't be false and what is false can't be true.

MEDIA is trying to fool the public but the sad thing is many are willing to be fooled by them.

Tevah / 2010-05-19 10:41:33

The below is from Anchor Bible Dictionary

If this entry from the Anchor Bible Dictionary(now Yale) can be trusted, then:

The whole NAMI's discovery was based on a myth without foundation.
There are many monasteries on Mt Argi Dag, perhaps the wood structures are actually the remains of those monasteries.

Turkish government issued another cert to another group who also claimed to have discovered the Noah's Ark. A simple search on the internet will reveal how much the government want to have an Ark on one of their mountains.

NAMI, you are too "hard sale" on this issue, which is your greatest weakest!

Tevah / 2010-05-19 10:36:35

NAMI never check <Anchor Bible Dictionary>

“Mount Ararat” and Noah’s Ark

Within the Araratic subdivision of Armenia (39˚42’N: 44˚18’E) is a spectacular and isolated mountain, nearly 17,000 feet in elevation, which the Armenian population called Masis. It is now known by the Turks as Büyük (“mount”) Aĝri Daĝ. Around the 11th-12th centuries (C.E.), the tradition developed that is was the landing place of Noah’s vessel, and thus modern “ark searchers” have come to call it “Mount Ararat.” Claims have been made, without foundation, that remnants of the biblical craft are still to be found there. (See NOAH AND THE ARK.)

Since the ancient kingdom of “Ararat” was much more extensive than the Armenian subdivision, early Jews, Christians, and Muslims sought the ark’s landing place on the southern border where the mountains first arise from the Mesopotamian plain. The area of choice was called Qardu(n), and hence the Aramaic and Syriac versions of the Bible render Gen 8:4 as “the mountains of Qardu.” Greek and Latin writers refer to the area as that of the Karduchi-people or as Gordyaea (the consonants g, k, and q easily interchange in these languages). In Turkish, the specific peak is known as Cudi Daĝ, and atop its peak Nestorian Christians had erected several monasteries, including one at the summit known as the Cloister of the Ark. Later, the Muslim conquerors erected a mosque at the site and claimed to have removed enough wood of the ark to construct another mosque at the base of the mountain. To them, the mountain was known as Jabal (“mount”) Judi, a designation in the Quran for the landing place (11:44). Even in recent times, persons of various faiths gathered annually atop this peak to commemorate Noah’s first sacrifice after leaving the Ark (Bell 1911: 38)

Bibliography
Bell, G.L. 1911. Amurath to Amurath. New York.
Piotrovsky, B. B. 1969. The Ancient Civilisation of Urartu. New York.
Zimansky, P. E. 1985. Ecology and Empire: The Structure of the Urartian State. SAOC 41. Chicago.
LLOYD R. BAILEY

Hin / 2010-05-18 09:57:35

Another contradiction of Parasut

This is what Parasut said:

在訪問中，Parasut更直接質疑Price的學術專業和誠信：指他過去只在以色列從事考古，在土耳其只是遊客，並指他在阿拉臘山進行冰雪研究時，將挖了一米說成挖了五米。

He said that Price 過去只在以色列從事考古，在土耳其只是遊客 and then he said Price 在阿拉臘山進行冰雪研究時，將挖了一米說成挖了五米, is Price just a tourist or a researcher in Turkey? Did he know what he is saying?

MEDIA keep using different people to speak for them, a proven fact will not need any defense but a false claim will need a lot of defenses. Isn't this obvious?

小信徒 / 2010-05-18 09:10:01

自打咀吧

埃圖魯指price不是好弟兄, 因price說弟兄是騙子.

現在埃圖魯也說price是騙子, 因此埃圖魯也不是好弟兄!

哈哈!

Tevah / 2010-05-17 19:07:30

Doing the Lord's will by the way of the Lord

Bring people to the Lord is extremely important. But we must do according to the way of the Lord, otherwise we will bring shame upon ourselves and stumble others.
Before we can see any blessing from the "Noah's Ark discovery" we are seeing much division! Can this really be a blessing from the Lord?
528 meeting is coming, but NAMI responded by having 4 meetings before and after 528!
NAMI, if you are on the RIGHT side, if you are so sure what you are doing is correct and according to the will of the Lord, relax! Let the Lord fight the battle for you! Your quick and aggressive response show your insecurity!

Hin / 2010-05-17 18:17:15

Aiming at Dr. Price

It seems to be that the full focus of MEDIA is to attack the integrity of Dr. Price.

The more they do that, the more they reflected that Dr. Price's statement is crucial and it is worthwhile to read it again:

http://www.worldofthebible.com/news.htm

If you have not read the added comment at the end of the page, you should read it. Dr. Price is willing to present the letters between himself and MEDIA's people and that will help us to see more about the background of what MEDIA is presenting.

Once again in Parasut's statements, he claimed that they HAVE FOUND the ARK and again this is an irresponsible and unscientific statement. Just by doing that has reflected his character and how poor his integrity is.

For the other professionals who made statements, all of them will not make such a statement like Parasut but they are more than happy and willing to join this in order to verify the facts. One more thing is that these professionals were not there when they entered into the structure and their remarks are all based on what they saw from the team.

There will be people who will believe what MEDIA is presenting and this is sad.

Review what and how MEDIA present their foundings in 2004-5 and you will see many similar approaches and statements. They didn't change much at all.

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