影音使團於荷蘭及北京舉行方舟記者會（5月17日消息）

影音使團於荷蘭及北京
舉行方舟記者會
（5月17日消息）

時代論壇 / 2010年5月17日

影音使團「挪亞方舟國際事工」於四月廿八日在北京及五月十一日在荷蘭舉行記者會，並在官方網頁發佈相關資訊（www.noahsarksearch.net/big5/release_holland.php）。

荷蘭記者會

在荷蘭記者會上，除了曾拍攝片段（www.noahsarksearch.net/big5/content05.php）支持方舟發現的荷蘭方舟探索者Mr. Gerrit Aalten解釋自己的看法外，亦有地質學家Dr. Tom Zoutewelle分析有關木結構在冰山上確有可能保存數千年。而美國方舟探索家John McIntosh亦表示從拍攝到的影片和相片看來，有關巨型木結構很有可能是方舟，但需進一步研究確定。他在一份公開聲明中補充，有關證據有待獨立人士核實，據他了解華裔探索隊和土耳其學者在這方面將繼續下工夫，他相信更多木結構和物料的樣本需要被採集和驗證。

而土耳其國會議員Mehmet Hanifi Alir和阿勒省的文化部長Muhsin Bulut亦有出席該個記者會。挪亞方舟國際事工的官方網頁引述該位國會議員表示：「這是一個非常重要的工作，我感到很高興。如我剛才所說的，我們的國會以及政府會鼎力支持探索並願意全力提供協助。」而阿勒省文化部長則批評美國方舟探索者Dr. Randall Price指木結構屬偽造的講法：「他所發表的公開言論完全是侮辱了我們的人民。我認識挪亞方舟國際事工，我對他們（挪亞方舟國際事工及國民）是絕對信任。」

埃圖魯專訪

另外，影音使團亦在網頁公佈專訪探索隊領隊埃圖魯（Mr. Ertuğrul, Ahmet a.k.a. Parasut）的最新片段（www.noahsarksearch.net/big5/content06.php），集中回應Price的言論，並反質疑對方的誠信。

在片段中，Parasut指探索隊作了一件美事，就是找到方舟，連土耳其的伊斯蘭政府也承認這次是基督教團體發現方舟，讓基督教的信息可以傳開；但Price的行為卻像夢魘一樣，Parasut認為這可能是出於妒忌，並認為Price不是一個好的弟兄，因為好的弟兄不會指其他弟兄是騙子。他又認為好的基督徒應該協助發現方舟，而不應拒絕和杯葛。

在訪問中，Parasut更直接質疑Price的學術專業和誠信：指他過去只在以色列從事考古，在土耳其只是遊客，並指他在阿拉臘山進行冰雪研究時，將挖了一米說成挖了五米。

在片段尾聲，Parasut批評Price只是想在方舟探索的相關報道中有自己的名字出現，但他深信探索方舟的工作不會因一個人而被破壞。他更挑戰Price若確信木結構偽造，可找證人出來對質，看誰人丟臉，並再次強調「方舟已經被找到」，大家可以一同分享成果。

（www.christiantimes.org.hk，時代論壇每日快拍，2010.5.17）

舊回應7則

Hin / 2010-05-19 16:07:32

To Tevah: can you do more?

MEDIA is trying play safe by putting everything upon the shoulder of Parasut and other "experts" so that in case it is confirmed that the whole thing is a hoax, they will be safe.

But they can't get out of this because in the first place, they have send the wrong people to explore the ARK. Secondly, they haven't consider serious enough the concerns and doubts that many people raised since 2004.

Well, they are responsible at the end. Once again, if we review their claims in 2004 and now, their approaches are very very similar. I am sad to see so many "pastors" and Christians fell for their claim.

Tevah, is there any way you can document your findings and present that at the 5/28 meeting next week?

For us, who has no personal interest (benefits) from this, we are just trying to review the truth and protect the public, not only the Christian public but also the non-Christian public.

The more we looked into this, the more we asked about this, the more suspicious this become. I am amazed that so many respected "pastor" are being used by MEDIA.

When I read the 40+ news report on MEDIA's site, there is none that actually confirm their findings. They just report what MEDIA said without commenting nor confirming but MEDIA said that they have receive high commendation from different news agencies. What a lie?

Also, in their website, they only present those who encourages them to continue the search and those who are happy to see what might happen but they won't include one single comment from other "experts" regarding their doubts and facts that are against MEDIA's claim. The only one they included is Dr. Price and there are a lot more besides Dr. Price. The reason they included Dr. Price because they need to attack him and his integrity in order to build their own.

They are blowing a balloon and it is getting bigger and bigger and it will burst soon.

What is true can't be false and what is false can't be true.

MEDIA is trying to fool the public but the sad thing is many are willing to be fooled by them.

Tevah / 2010-05-19 10:41:33

The below is from Anchor Bible Dictionary

If this entry from the Anchor Bible Dictionary(now Yale) can be trusted, then:

The whole NAMI's discovery was based on a myth without foundation.
There are many monasteries on Mt Argi Dag, perhaps the wood structures are actually the remains of those monasteries.

Turkish government issued another cert to another group who also claimed to have discovered the Noah's Ark. A simple search on the internet will reveal how much the government want to have an Ark on one of their mountains.

NAMI, you are too "hard sale" on this issue, which is your greatest weakest!

Tevah / 2010-05-19 10:36:35

NAMI never check <Anchor Bible Dictionary>

“Mount Ararat” and Noah’s Ark

Within the Araratic subdivision of Armenia (39˚42’N: 44˚18’E) is a spectacular and isolated mountain, nearly 17,000 feet in elevation, which the Armenian population called Masis. It is now known by the Turks as Büyük (“mount”) Aĝri Daĝ. Around the 11th-12th centuries (C.E.), the tradition developed that is was the landing place of Noah’s vessel, and thus modern “ark searchers” have come to call it “Mount Ararat.” Claims have been made, without foundation, that remnants of the biblical craft are still to be found there. (See NOAH AND THE ARK.)

Since the ancient kingdom of “Ararat” was much more extensive than the Armenian subdivision, early Jews, Christians, and Muslims sought the ark’s landing place on the southern border where the mountains first arise from the Mesopotamian plain. The area of choice was called Qardu(n), and hence the Aramaic and Syriac versions of the Bible render Gen 8:4 as “the mountains of Qardu.” Greek and Latin writers refer to the area as that of the Karduchi-people or as Gordyaea (the consonants g, k, and q easily interchange in these languages). In Turkish, the specific peak is known as Cudi Daĝ, and atop its peak Nestorian Christians had erected several monasteries, including one at the summit known as the Cloister of the Ark. Later, the Muslim conquerors erected a mosque at the site and claimed to have removed enough wood of the ark to construct another mosque at the base of the mountain. To them, the mountain was known as Jabal (“mount”) Judi, a designation in the Quran for the landing place (11:44). Even in recent times, persons of various faiths gathered annually atop this peak to commemorate Noah’s first sacrifice after leaving the Ark (Bell 1911: 38)

Bibliography
Bell, G.L. 1911. Amurath to Amurath. New York.
Piotrovsky, B. B. 1969. The Ancient Civilisation of Urartu. New York.
Zimansky, P. E. 1985. Ecology and Empire: The Structure of the Urartian State. SAOC 41. Chicago.
LLOYD R. BAILEY

Hin / 2010-05-18 09:57:35

Another contradiction of Parasut

This is what Parasut said:

在訪問中，Parasut更直接質疑Price的學術專業和誠信：指他過去只在以色列從事考古，在土耳其只是遊客，並指他在阿拉臘山進行冰雪研究時，將挖了一米說成挖了五米。

He said that Price 過去只在以色列從事考古，在土耳其只是遊客 and then he said Price 在阿拉臘山進行冰雪研究時，將挖了一米說成挖了五米, is Price just a tourist or a researcher in Turkey? Did he know what he is saying?

MEDIA keep using different people to speak for them, a proven fact will not need any defense but a false claim will need a lot of defenses. Isn't this obvious?

小信徒 / 2010-05-18 09:10:01

自打咀吧

埃圖魯指price不是好弟兄, 因price說弟兄是騙子.

現在埃圖魯也說price是騙子, 因此埃圖魯也不是好弟兄!

哈哈!

Tevah / 2010-05-17 19:07:30

Doing the Lord's will by the way of the Lord

Bring people to the Lord is extremely important. But we must do according to the way of the Lord, otherwise we will bring shame upon ourselves and stumble others.
Before we can see any blessing from the "Noah's Ark discovery" we are seeing much division! Can this really be a blessing from the Lord?
528 meeting is coming, but NAMI responded by having 4 meetings before and after 528!
NAMI, if you are on the RIGHT side, if you are so sure what you are doing is correct and according to the will of the Lord, relax! Let the Lord fight the battle for you! Your quick and aggressive response show your insecurity!

Hin / 2010-05-17 18:17:15

Aiming at Dr. Price

It seems to be that the full focus of MEDIA is to attack the integrity of Dr. Price.

The more they do that, the more they reflected that Dr. Price's statement is crucial and it is worthwhile to read it again:

http://www.worldofthebible.com/news.htm

If you have not read the added comment at the end of the page, you should read it. Dr. Price is willing to present the letters between himself and MEDIA's people and that will help us to see more about the background of what MEDIA is presenting.

Once again in Parasut's statements, he claimed that they HAVE FOUND the ARK and again this is an irresponsible and unscientific statement. Just by doing that has reflected his character and how poor his integrity is.

For the other professionals who made statements, all of them will not make such a statement like Parasut but they are more than happy and willing to join this in order to verify the facts. One more thing is that these professionals were not there when they entered into the structure and their remarks are all based on what they saw from the team.

There will be people who will believe what MEDIA is presenting and this is sad.

Review what and how MEDIA present their foundings in 2004-5 and you will see many similar approaches and statements. They didn't change much at all.

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