國際媒體報道港人發現方舟科學家及考古學家提不同意見（4月30日消息）

國際媒體報道港人發現方舟
科學家及考古學家提不同意見
（4月30日消息）

時代論壇 / 2010年4月30日

影音使團於四月廿五日宣佈發現方舟的新證據（www.noahsarksearch.net/big5）──在海拔四千米高的阿拉臘山上，發現經炭十四測試證實為四千八百年前的木造結構──接連幾天全球各地媒體均有報道，不少科學家及考古學家亦有回應。

報道事件的媒體包括港人熟悉的《國家地理雜誌》、《時代雜誌》、美國廣播公司、《紐約時報》、霍士新聞，英國的《獨立報》、《鏡報》及《衛報》，台灣的《中國時報》等等。（可參：http://news.google.com/news/story?cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&ncl=ds6IXt25a5eIvLMkDNmPio5vk5i-M）對於發佈會上有探險隊成員表示「百分之九十九點九確定」那是方舟，有科學家和考古學家對此表示保留。

是否接受碳十四測試？

無神論生物學者PZ Myers在《科學家網誌》上發表文章，笑言這是首次有相信創造論的人接受碳十四測試的準確性（http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/04/if_fox_news_and_wing_nut_daily.php）。支持創造論的生物學者Todd Wood在接受《國家地理雜誌》訪問時解釋，創造論認為地球只存在了約六千年，但碳十四測試卻能驗出六千年以上的物品，因此創造論支持者對碳十四測試應有另外的計算方法，否則便等如承認地球存在了過萬年。他個人認為方舟早已不存在：因洪水過後地上應無樹木，挪亞一家回到陸地後需建屋居住，方舟的木材正是「現成」材料。另一考古學者Paul Zimansky亦對《國家地理雜誌》表示，這個研究團隊的研究方式跟他們很不同──沒有考慮過過往的考古、歷史和地質研究（http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/04/100428-noahs-ark-found-in-turkey-science-religion-culture/）。

是否學術研究？

美國的聖經考古學者Eric Cline接受《時代雜誌》訪問時直言，這個以業餘人士為主的研究團隊以「記者會」形式公佈自己的發現，與學者們將發現寫成論文刊登於學術期刊的做法有所不同。他亦質疑方舟為何會差不多「原隻」地出現，因為公元一世紀的猶太歷史學家約瑟夫已提及人們早已把方舟瓦解，將木塊作為「護身符」配戴。而就算是次真的發現「方舟」，他亦認為不能證明這就是挪亞的方舟，因為Gilgamesh的傳說中，亦有一位名叫Utnapishtim的人被神揀選造了一隻方舟：「如果我要找方舟，那不一定是挪亞的，或許那是Utnapishtim的。」（http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1985830,00.html）

《中時》電子報亦引述英國考古學者皮特（Mike Pitt）及上古歷史學者波謝爾（Nicholas Purcell）的意見，指全球若曾發生大洪水，且達四千公尺之高，那麼便應留有大量地質證據，而埃及和美索不達米亞等古文明亦不可能無事（http://news.chinatimes.com/tech/0,5249,171705x112010042900157,00.html）。

曾參與者的質疑

曾於2008年隨影音使團探險隊到阿拉臘山西南部山洞進行一個月研究的美國「聖經世界事工」創辦人Dr. Randall Price，亦在一封私人電郵中講述他隨隊研究的一些觀察，並質疑有關發現。但因該封私人電郵被廣泛流傳，他隨即在其事工的網頁發表聲明（www.worldofthebible.com/news.htm），表示自己也在跟進研究，現階段唯一的公開聲明是「愈大的宣稱便需要愈大的證據去支持」，他對是次探險的性質及程序表示保留，促請影音使團與土耳其合作的研究隊盡快將採集得來的樣本送予科學家及學者作比對分析，並在獨立人士實地考證後才發佈探索結果。

Ｏ四年的發現是否有誤？

而本地亦有網友將影音使團數年前發現方舟洞穴的公佈與今次發現方舟遺骸的公佈比對，發覺兩次的發現地點似有不同：上次的洞穴是於Ｏ四年發現（www.media.org.hk/noahsark/asp/gathering_04_newspaper_001.asp），但今次遺骸所在的山洞卻是土耳其領隊在Ｏ八年六月才得知的祕密地點。網友認為影音使團有責任交代今次的發現是否證明之前的發現有誤。

爭議：五千年木材為何在高山？

對於有學者指阿拉臘山是火山噴發形成的，因此洪水發生時，該山並不存在，方舟不可能停在該處；即使停在該處，也應因火山噴發而被摧毀。在外國一些有評論是次發現的網站，便有支持發現的網友反問學者，若那處是火山，學者如何解釋有五千年歷史的木材出現其上：「難道火山噴出木材？」亦有網友直言，學者們發現不到真相，是因為他們的眼睛早被理論和假設所蒙敝。（http://scienceblogs.com/tfk/2010/04/fake_noahs_ark_found_on_mt_ara.php，見底部回應欄）

（www.christiantimes.org.hk，時代論壇每日快拍，2010.4.30）

舊回應35則

來吧 / 2010-05-08 01:21:33

來吧！

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Hin / 2010-05-07 04:24:38

To雪山飛鷹: it is very basic

I am a Christian and I am still reaching out to touch many hearts. I am not against anyone trying to touch the heart of others.

BUT, please try to be honest, this is very basic.

I appreciate their effort and courage but I also appreciate if they could be more honest to their findings and spendings.

The end can't justify the mean if the mean is wrong.

If I fabricate a false testimony, creating all kind of false evidences to back up my false testimony, I spend years and years to do that with one purpose that is to help people to believe in God, will you tell others to let me do what I am doing since I am trying to touch other's heart and whether I actually "touch the Ark" is no longer important!

This is very basic. How do we expect others to respect Christian if we endorse falsehood in our outreach effort?

Let yes be yes and no be no, isn't this the teaching of our Lord Jesus. There are many ways that people can come to know our Lord, why force it?

I know how they feel when people are challenging them, I know they won't feel good because they thought they are just trying to serve and they are risking their life to do this and how come even Christians are saying things against them, yes, this won't make them feel good at all but we still need to hold on to the truth because we are trying to share the TRUTH!

雪山飛鷹 / 2010-05-07 02:40:31

touch the ark重要, touch the heart也重要

响影音過往既宣傳口號中,有一句大概係咁"we touched the ark".

作為旁觀者,見到大家响呢個壇上咁「熱鬧」,忙住你一句,我一句,就影音聲稱touch到方舟係真係假,開懷大講..忍唔住想講一句,其實touch the ark重要,touch the heart 也重要!

肉眼見,親手摸既古木結構,是否真係百分之二百五十係挪亞起既方舟,老實講只有上帝先至有權開聲,正如楊生响記招提到,响我地呢個世代中,根本無人親眼見到挪亞起方舟.

不過佢地响整個探索過程中,touch the heart就真係較接近實情!從佢地既分享當中,感受到佢地已touch 到上帝既heart.相信呢個係佢地另一個悸慟人心既發現!

而探索至今,佢地又一直不畏外界諸多批評,响「槍淋彈雨」既心戰和傳媒戰中,仍努力諗計,點樣就呢啲寶貴無比既發現,轉化成福音既種籽,touch其他人的heart!務求將未信者既heart帶到上帝既heart面前.

佢地呢份努力同心意,已足以活出昔日挪亞方舟既拯救精神,可以話,佢地自己已being the ark,將自己獻上,被上帝所用,作為傳福音拯救未信者既器皿.

我地未必可以人人都touch the ark,但卻可以touch the heart.與其「開懷大吵」,何不同佢地一齊諗計,令更多未信者「開懷大信」?

Hin / 2010-05-06 09:37:21

2nd explanation by Mr. Lee

This is the 2nd explanation from MEDIA by Mr. Lee:

http://www.noahsarksearch.net/big5/content02.php

After viewing this second explanation, indeed I believe they have went up to 4000 metres, indeed I believe they saw the wood and the spaces but they didn't explain why the wood are not petrified wood but rather very fresh and new wood.
That is indeed interesting.

In the video shown by MEDIA, it seems that there are two groups of people going to two different places and the wood shown are different in these two places. Why is it? We didn't hear about this but saw this with our own eyes from the video clips provided by MEDIA.

Hin / 2010-05-06 09:23:59

Media tried to explain

In the following link, Mr. Yeung explained his encounter with Dr. Price and then emphasized many many times that Dr. Price only heard about the hoax:

http://www.noahsarksearch.net/big5/content01.php

But, if you read Dr. Price's e-mail carefully, what Mr. Yeung said is not true at all:

"The information given below is my opinion based on what I have seen and heard (from others who claim to have been eyewitnesses or know the exact details).

To make a long story short: this is all reported to be a fake.... As I said, I have the photos of the inside of the so-called Ark (that show cobwebs in the corners of rafters - something just not possible in these conditions) and our Kurdish partner in Dogubabyazit (the village at the foot of Mt. Ararat) has all of the facts about the location, the men who planted the wood, and even the truck that transported it."

Dr. Price said that what he reported is based on what he has "seen and heard", not just hearing but also seeing. He also has photos of the inside of the so-called Ark and his partner has the "facts" not hearings.

I think Mr. Yeung is trying to discredit Dr. Price.

小信徒 / 2010-05-04 08:19:27

就當我存有惡意, 我都想問問你點睇碳十四......

最直接一個問題, 你點睇碳十四?

碳十四可以測出數萬年的的東西. 若影音以此證明木材有五千年歷史, 那麼他便同意世界上有些東西存在數萬年, 這樣, 挪亞故事的可信性便大大減低! 因為挪亞故事來自聖經, 聖經說地球只有六千年!

若你說測出幾萬年的東西, 是錯的. 那麼, 你又如何證明測出五千年的木材是準確的? 這是作為「學術研究」, 需要解答的. 總沒可能測出對自己有利的就說是準, 測出對自己不利就說不準. 這樣是迷信, 不是科學.

又或者, 你可以同意挪亞故事在五千年前發生, 但認為創世記第一章的創世過程是一個橫跨幾萬年的過程. 這樣也可以, 但影音應該公佈自己的神學立場. 這亦是為何真正的學術是要以有系統的論文去發表見解，而非只用記者會公佈對自己有利的三兩點論據，而不就對自己不利的觀點作出回應．

傳福音，重要。但我們總不能以一些假的或未知是否真的東西去呃人信主。我相信這是主不喜悅的。

Hin / 2010-05-04 07:16:18

To: Jonah, you might want to help but it is difficult to help

In your posting, you have listed so many possibilities, I think you are quite successful in reducing the intensity of some negative feelings about MEDIA since there are so much uncertainty and possibility in your posting.

Somehow, I feel that you are not clarifying anything but rather confusing a lot of things.

As some of us tried to state as clear as possible what are the issues and then you add more coverings, more decorations, more additions to what we said so that others become difficult to see what they need to see.

On one hand, you said that many are speculating about MEDIA but you yourself is also doing the same to others.

Well, let's cut it short, can you or others answer the following two questions:

1. In the video clip, is it one place or two places? The wood that were presented in different parts of the video are so obviously different. If they are video taping the "ARK" in the same location, shouldn't the wood be the same. Any logical and scientific explanation for this?

2. It is very obviously that what they claimed to be the ARK in 2004-5 is not true at all, did they make any public confession of their mistake?

Besides the above two questions, I highly recommend the public to request MEDIA to give a clear account of how they spend the donations (remember this is public donations) in the search of "their" ARK and ask an external auditor to audit their financial statement. Let the public see those figures, before this is done, I strongly recommend the public stop donating any more money to MEDIA for anything related to the ARK. This is crucial.

Can people really "open their eyes and tell lies"? Definitely yes because they are so good in doing this to the extent that they first deceived themselves. They have convinced themselves that it is God's will for them to search for the ARK and God will help them. They can comfort themselves by telling themselves that what they are doing is for the sake of the lost souls, for the sake of proving God is real, for the sake of the Gospel....For anyone who are doing what they are doing now, they must first quiet their conscience, destroy their common sense....I really feel sorry for them! What a pity!

虞瑋倩 / 2010-05-04 04:56:01

約拿大堆的回應都企圖用含糊的原則避開問題

首先﹐ 約拿仍舊犯了幾個基本邏輯謬誤
(1) 在高山海拔四千米起屋及建大方舟﹖
約拿有沒有證據可以好肯定影音使團確實有發現海拔四千米有巨型木結構﹖ 只要看發佈的照片﹑影片﹐ 都是零碎的片段﹐ 根本不足以確鑿斷定有巨型木結構﹑或者影片裡面是一個巨型木結構
(2) 在高山海拔四千米要起屋及建大方舟，令人難以置信。如不是方舟，是什麼？
那是訴諸無知。首先沒有人肯定那是房屋或者方舟﹐ 就是是大型木結構也未必一定是方舟
約拿還忽略其他疑點﹕
雖然Randall Price 這次他沒有上山﹐ 但上次他有隨團 (影音使團現在把他的資料刪除了)﹐ 看見過當時影音使團的發現﹐ 所以可以辨別出部份這次發表的相片不是山上拍攝的。這才是最大問題 (建議你看看他怎樣說)

照片還顯示木頭有高山不可能出現的蜘蛛網﹐ 這個難道約拿沒有看見﹖

你說時代論壇杜撰這份文章﹐ 這是嚴重的指控﹐ 時代論壇也是負責任的傳媒﹐ 它引用不同來源的質疑﹐ 特別是這次發表發現的異常做法
(1)不公佈所有數據
(2) 不給其他同行審閱就開記招
(3) 發現的若果是古物﹐ 為何私自運出土耳其﹖ (約拿大概不知道這根本就是違法的)

影音使團說﹕ 對於運載大量木材及興建大型木建築至亞拉臘山上高於海拔4,000米的可能性...此舉根本是沒有可能發生

但問題是根本不需要運載大量木材及興建大型木建築至亞拉臘山上高於海拔4,000米﹐ 也可以透過拍攝角度﹑剪接﹑旁述搭夠罷﹖ 整個片段都沒有顯示一個完整的大型木建築﹗ 放少量木材在山洞一樣可以作假﹗

約拿 / 2010-05-04 02:26:15

埋身肉搏的啟齒

方舟探索的事件已引起世界各地的迴響，反映事件是重量級的份量及是埋身的課題。對於用什麼方法去驗證，總有不同的專家持相反的意見，因每位考古學者可以用不同的方法去論證，碳十四測試是有其利有其弊，大家應明白世上沒有什麼測試是可以百份百肯定一件物件的年份，只可以是其一的助證。另要加上環境證供、歷史文獻、地質學及其他學說，才能作出結論。故是次的發現帶出的結論，應該更細心閱讀，留意專家的立場及推論的方法。

至於外國傳媒的報導，大家應以平常心去了解，報刊常以反面去報導一些宗教的議題，因他們沒有宗教信仰；正如一般人及報刊雜誌至今仍當耶穌是偉人，不當作是神，否則會令讀者投訴了。如果報刊全以正面報導，相信福音可以傳到地極了。處理方舟的報導是不容易，涉及創造論、聖經論、上帝觀，根本同主流的信仰是相違背，相信對很多學者專家會帶來更大的衝擊，因他們不輕易放棄窮一生的研究，且是學術，不是真理，可以有多方的結論。如接受方舟，就等如接受背後一堆的信念！個人認為方舟是極重份量的福音炸彈，是具影響世界性的話題！不再停留只是吳主光牧師撰寫福音小冊子的地區性影響力。

另一方面，在報章引用的專家，他們的背景及動機是應小心考究。個人估計影音使團所發現的資料，仍有很多部份供專家研究中，但報刊的專家應未取得資料就有定論，現在就要蓋棺定論，以外國的立場作為參考，似乎言之過早。歷史文獻有記載方舟著實不少，在高山海拔四千米要起屋及建大方舟，令人難以置信。如不是方舟，是什麼？相信可以有更深入的討論。Dr. Randall Price的定論更令我驚訝及警惕，從報章得知影音的回應http://www.noahsarksearch.net/big5/randall.php，原來他是沒有上山，這樣就明白他的動機是什麼了，可圈可點。網上仍有人用他的觀點，實在令旁人側目。

方舟在一個活火山，不斷的地震，方舟聽說已斷開，散落了山的不同地方，加上終年積雪，天氣不穩定，今次能有這發現，都可是本世紀的一大奇蹟。很多對此事的回應，似乎都以陰謀論行先，實是小報的做法。土耳其官員明知會有世界性的發佈，都來港參加，如違法，不會那麼愚昧吧；除非土耳其的政治真的是複雜，莫非是因為回教國家？時代論壇杜撰這份文章，似乎有其目的，不知是否已定了辦報的方式，造假及引起紛爭，取得最大的利益。我很同情影音，明知山有虎偏向虎山行的勇氣，願上帝介入事件，有智慧去討論。個人很有興趣，如果方舟是真的，將引起人什麼的反應？基督徒及離教者會否都懼怕方舟是真實的，因會衝擊個人的信念。如何是真的，上帝為何刻意令方舟重現人間，其實對是次在論壇的網上討論有什麼啟發？到底談論主角是影音？或是起一個題目：假如方舟是真的！我們如何看聖經？創造？耶穌再來的教導？

Hin / 2010-05-03 19:16:55

Who can do this?

I think we have collected enough information regarding the recent report from MEDIA and I wonder who can compose all the information and write an article to let the public know that whatever MEDIA claimed is not being confirmed and has many many unacceptable and unexplainable faults in it.

Just posting in this web page is not very effective at all.

Can someone do this?

Another way is to get someone to write up a good summary of our findings and encourage each one to send it by e-mail to all our friends. Christian Times already has one like that but we can add more links and comments to it. The internet is very powerful, use it well.

We need to stop MEDIA spreading an unconfirmed finding, misleading the public to believe that they have found the ARK and preventing people donating further money to these unreliable and unprofessional "researchers" or "explorers".

Can someone do this?

虞瑋倩 / 2010-05-03 15:02:16

連 Answer In Genesis 的Ken Ham 都質疑

這次連Answer In Genesis (基督教神創論組織) 的 Ken Ham 都提出疑點 :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YScSJIpgR60&feature=related
聖經說﹐ 方舟裡外都抹上松香﹐ 但是發現的巨型木結構好似沒有.......

虞瑋倩 / 2010-05-02 22:59:51

網頁修改

影音使團早年開記者會表示發現方舟﹐ 當中有“World for the Bible Ministries"的 Randall Price 參與﹐ 現在影音使團修改了有關發現方舟網頁﹐ 不再提及Randall Price 的名字。
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:G44G-nxU7KEJ:www.thenoahark.com/index.asp%3Fpg%3D7+Randall+Price+%E6%8C%AA%E4%BA%9E%E6%96%B9%E8%88%9F%E5%9C%8B%E9%9A%9B%E4%BA%8B%E5%B7%A5&cd=3&hl=zh-TW&ct=clnk

虞瑋倩 / 2010-05-02 01:35:04

連美國保守派的 Fox News﹐ 本來訪問係以為教授會撐

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201004290019
誰知當住電視旁邊那些保守派信徒觀眾說 : hoax, psuedoscience
瘀死人了

虞瑋倩 / 2010-05-02 00:44:17

可憐的 chanbb

你點會憑幾個零碎的片段﹑照片﹐ 就肯定了影音石團宣稱在山上發現的巨型木結構會存在呢﹖
根本係未有一幅完整圖片或者一個片段完完整整的展示出你所相信存在的巨型木結構﹗
再講﹐ 為何木結構會出現高山寒冷不可能出現的蜘蛛網 ﹖ 你別告訴我這是上帝的作為﹐ 於是因為上帝的作為﹐ 除了你講那些﹐ 上帝還令“方舟”出現蜘蛛網。
張國棟覺得你的盲目心寒﹐ 我卻認為你可憐。而且指出疑點的其中一個有力人士﹐ 是你們基督教﹐美國著名基督教大學Liberty University (美國右派領袖 Jerry Fallwell 創辦的)教授﹑美國「聖經世界事工」創辦人Dr. Randall Price﹐ 那可不是什麼惡意的中傷與抺黑。
清醒點罷。

Hin / 2010-05-02 00:21:23

To: Chumbb

We are not trying to destroy fellow Christians but to protect.

I have been following this since 2004 and the fact is in front of us.

In 2004, when I questioned and challenged MEDIA, people like you will say the same thing about me and others. What about now? The fact is what MEDIA claimed to be the ARK in 2004 is not so, did they admit it? Did they apologize for it? Did it let the public know how much money they spend in this?

I sincerely hope that you will follow this for the next few months or to a year and then face the truth. I will keep following and I hope you will too.

Watch the videos a few more times, read the comments (not from me or people like me) by others and then think, really think about it....

One more thing, I don't spend time "attacking" fellow Christians, I also a lot more time in reaching out to others, building up other fellow Christians....please don't "paint me black"!!!

張國棟 / 2010-05-01 23:14:47

令人心寒的盲目

抹黑者，必先是有事實，但被故意扭曲。但現在連那是否方舟也未能確定，何來抹黑？人家只是就客觀資料提出質疑，若這也接受不了，那叫做盲目。

我想基督徒應該做的，不是再愚昧的批評別人抺黑，或呼籲信徒投入大量金錢去找方舟，而是要善用金錢把握時間傳福音！

chanbb / 2010-05-01 22:34:01

令人心寒的抹黑

當我看到大家對方舟的評論,

心裡突然有一種很害怕的感覺,

我們到底生活在一個怎樣的世代,

原來愚昧與仇恨,竟然會令人失去理智,

令人忘記自己身為基督徒的身份與本性,

甚至惡意的中傷與抺黑,

竟然會相信有人能夠在山上偽造出一個如此巨型木結構的無知說法,

如果方舟真的是一個搭建出來的佈景,

如此巨型的工程要在平地上建造已經不容易,

更何況在四千米以上陡峭的山坡上,

如果不是上帝的能力,

到底有誰能夠將巨型的木材運上四千米以上的冰山,

到底有誰能夠數搬動數以千噸的石頭將方舟埋藏,

到底有誰能夠在空氣稀薄,呼吸困難的山上興建如此大的建築,

當然身為一個基督徒,我不需要看到上帝才相信有神,

但是當上帝令方舟再現,當方舟如此真實的被發現,

我想基督徒應該做的,不是再愚昧的批評抺黑,

而是要把握時間傳福音!

Hin / 2010-05-01 19:02:13

Worth to review

In case the reader forget, it is worthwhile to read the following link:

http://www.media.org.hk/noahsark/asp/gathering_04_newspaper_001.asp

MEDIA claimed that they have located the ARK, they have shown their "evidence" and they also claimed that they will form a team of at least 30 scientists to continue to search.

Well, first of all, now we know that what they claimed is not true. Secondly, they never formed a team or at least 30 scientists.

They have made a lot of money and collected a lot of donation based on what they claimed and shouldn't they returned the money....No, they won't and they can't, I felt sorry for the people who bought their product in support of MEDIA and those who donate to MEDIA out of a good heart for God. I just felt sorry, very sorry and sad and a little mad (as you can tell from my postings).

Hin / 2010-05-01 17:35:13

A few words to the famous pastors and artists

As I observed in the past years, MEDIA has the tradition of using famous pastors and artists to endorse their products, projects and findings.

Be careful, dear pastors and artists, don't just jump in when MEDIA claimed that it is for the sake of the Gospel, don't just jump right in since there will be good exposure. Be responsible, know what you are endorsing and supporting. If you are not sure, don't!

I know that not many pastors and artists are reading this but for their friends who read this, remind them.

May be it is good to take time to read the book and watch the DVD from 2005 about their finding of the ARK, if you still could, read and listen to the endorsements from those famous pastors and artists. Many of them wish they can take their statement back, many of them will say that they are saying that on the basis that what MEDIA said is true.....human, this is human!

For example, the finding about the anchor stone that some claimed to be related to Noah's Ark, if they are not, will MEDIA change the content in the book that they published. I doubted, they are not GOOD enough to do so!

Hin / 2010-05-01 17:10:09

Mark their words for future use

Please keep a record of what they said since they seems to be having a very poor memory:

楊表示：「無可能運木頭上山，無可能造假，我相信我們所發現的挪亞方舟遺骸是真的。」

影音使團市務及拓展高級經理關倩華承認，對方(referring to Randall price)在08年曾參與這次探索行動，但合作只維持不到一個月。她說，不知道他掌握什麼證據，感到困惑，強調對方沒有到過亞拉臘山「方舟」遺骸所在的地方。對於搬運木材的指控，關倩華表示詢問過土耳其，官員(which official, those who came with them to Hong Kong?)稱這絕對沒可能發生，因為該處是嚴格監控地方，而且地勢危險。

港隊成員之一楊永祥向本報回應說，獲邀來港的是土耳其亞勒省官員，而非中央政府官員，相信有誤會。

至於美國考古學家，楊永祥承認，雙方曾於○八年打算合作探索，最終計劃告吹，但他堅稱遺骸是真的(what does he mean, is he saying that the piece of wood that they shown in the press conference or the place that they went in is Noah's Ark? It has not been proven yet, what is the meaning of the word "true")。

These are quotes from different newspaper. Mark their words. If in the near future, MEDIA is being proven to be wrong in their statement, at least two things the public should know and should seek for:

1. They have no credibility at all. No matter they made the claim intentionally or unintentionally.

2. If they are going to continue the exploration, they should replace the whole team and they need a third party observer to go with them (not from Turkey but from Hong Kong).

Actually, what they claimed in 2004-5 has already discredited them. They are now working very hard to compose an explanation and try to use their "good intention" and also trying to blame someone (may be the Turkish people) for the "wrong conclusion". This will be their tactic, easy and simple but very irresponsible and unethical.

Is there truth in this world? Indeed, there is but someone try to cover the truth.

If MEDIA is wrong, they should be responsible and pay (not necessary in monetary terms) for what they have done wrong. For example, Mr. Yuen should resign, this is just a simple responsible action that he should take but as I know him so far, he is not good enough to do that, he rather die than admitting he is wrong and resign and bear the responsibility of wasting so much money, time and attention of the public.

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