「方舟护航小组」网上成立（12月14日消息）

「方舟护航小组」网上成立
（12月14日消息）

时代论坛 / 2010年12月14日

一个名为「方舟护航小组」的Facebook群组于十二月五日成立，网址为：www.facebook.com/pages/fang-zhou-hu-hang-xiao-zu-Convoy-the-Ark-Crusade/174708979213451?v=wall%EF%BB%BF。小组开宗明义表示：「认定影音使团及挪亚方舟国际事工之华人寻索方舟是有建设性的历史之举，虽至终未必能寻得一完整的方舟，但这种为圣经历史、考古证道的委身付出之行动，值得支持和鼓励」，又强调小组与上述两个机构并无关系，乃自愿自发组织，宗旨是搜集证据反驳对方舟的指控。

小组在网页上发表了长36页的中文报告（分两部分上载），回应早前由美国考古学者Dr. Randell Price及Dr. Don Patten的33页报告。内容主要质疑Don Patten为「涉嫌骗子」、Don Patten根本未有到达亚拉腊高山、相片显示的资料有误等，并分析事件是西方学者针对华人研究队的攻击，呼吁华人信徒不要轻易受骗。

（www.christiantimes.org.hk，时代论坛每日快拍，2010.12.14）

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Hin / 2010-12-20 02:53:50

I read this already, thanks, Jennifer.

Someone forwarded this link to me already and I am not surprised at all it they are fake accounts. It is good to have this piece of information for future reference. It is important to keep track of what happened from 2004. For any person who has some common logic and common sense, it is not hard to detect and realize the problem. The problem with MEDIA is that they use (or I should use "abuse") people's "simple love" and "simple faith" for their personal agenda and ambition.

They have digged a hole so big that they just couldn't cover it. Let's wait for a few more months and we will see more.

Jennifer Law / 2010-12-18 23:32:19

Hin: Take a look at this post

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150101108631763&id=151734029934&ref=mf

If the findings by Diaspora Production is indeed true, then I do feel sorry for "them" (you know who)...I don't suppose what Paul the Apostel referred to as "無論如何，福音終究被傳開了" would stoop to such "low-lei"...

Hin / 2010-12-14 19:25:54

Earlier posting about this

I have wrote something about this earlier and here it is:

The group who put on a special page in the face book to defend MEDIA is amazing. They could come up with all the materials in 7 days, I have to applause their effort and dedication.

I am sure Dr. Price will respond to their questions. In their report, there are a lot of speculations and deductions. Any report, no matter from MEDIA or Dr. Price, others will and can raise questions and have their own speculation.

As in the conclusion of the article, let's give MEDIA a bit more time to show more evidences to prove their findings. It will soon be one year anniversary after their claim, let's see what more did they find after one long year.

Many will admire their desire to search evidences for the ARK but the key is the timing and the claim. For making such a claim, no matter it is 99% or 90%, they need solid adequate evidences before they can do that.

As the group raise many questions against Dr. Price's report, there are still many questions in Dr. Price's report being unanswered by MEDIA as well. I think the group can't answer for them and MEDIA has to do it themselves or they just couldn't answer them.

It is also interesting that the Turkish government has not responded to this big mess so far. I think they won't until they find out which way can benefit their tourism and income the most. They are controlling the ball and waiting for the right time to serve.

Since this group is so logical and scientific, if they could pick up the suspicious points in Dr. Price's report, it amazed me that they couldn't see the suspicious points in MEDIA's presentation. That is a very big and interesting question for me.

As I said before, in one of the photos, the wood on the ceiling and the walls are so smooth but then there is "hand-cut" rough wooden beam right in the middle, it is very odd and illogical. I am posing an observation as the group did, I don't have to be any kind of expert to raise up this kind of questions.

In the same way, when they challenged why Dr. Price wasn't in the photo and then speculated that he might be worry about the legal liability if in any case, they are proven falsely accusing MEDIA; then, what about the video and photos of MEDIA, why not the team members are not in some of the important video footage? Why the clothing are different? We can put the photos side by side and list the video links for the readers to watch once again. That will bring up the same effect as the group did to Dr. Price's report.

Once again, if they are so smart to pick up the possible problems with Dr. Price's photos, they should be able to do the same for MEDIA's photos and video clips. It really puzzles me.

Does it make any sense after 7 long years, they didn't have one Chinese Christian scientist to go with them? The big four have absolutely no credentials at all in this field, why? Isn't that something that should puzzle the group. The only known person to the Chinese churches might be Dr. Leung In Sing who went with them in the beginning but he is not an expert in that area nor his claims (such as the stone anchors) are any good at all.

MEDIA's problem is not only in this ARK search but far more than this. They have blow this up so much to the extent that they can't let it go away easily and must go on and on and on.

For this group, if they are what they claimed to be, I admire their desire, courage and effort and I am sure they will continue to observe this.

MEDIA has been searching for the ARK for more than 7 years, if this group goes back to the first time in 2004, using the intelligent minds that they have, they should also see a lot of problems and they should encourage MEDIA to seek help or they should go with them if they love them so much and are willing to go so far to defend them.

If they don't know MEDIA personally, I doubted but if they really don't, then, get to know them and they will know more about them. I encouraged them to do so and they will know the truth very soon.

They even posted the following statement against Dr. Liang:

有信徒因教會邀請梁博士主講「聖經、科學與方舟」之聚會後，導至某
些信徒靈性低落，教會人數大減，因而對教會有該聚會的安排，心感抱怨.

It is indeed interesting. I listened to the content of Dr. Liang's talk but I don't see how he can discouraged believers from going to church.

What is the meaning of 靈性低落 and the attendance of the church 大減? I think it might be because the believers are so discouraged to know what MEDIA has done, they might have trusted MEDIA for many years, donated a lot to them and now they know the truth and that is why they are being discouraged. That might be more likely the case.

I think the pastor shouldn't blame Dr. Liang but blame himself for not protecting his flock well enough.

I have heard that believers really admired Dr. Liang's courage and humility and they are being encouraged greatly to study the Bible more and to love God more. The same content but generated different responses, what does that tell us? I think the group is not fair to Dr. Liang.

Detecting problems from the photos doesn't have to be an expert to do that. Look at the paragraph in which Dr. Price talked about Dr. Liang:

The Analysis of NAMI’s Photographic Evidence by Dr. David Liang

Now that NAMI has released the photos on the internet, experts have began to study them and voice their concerns. One of these is Dr. David Liang of Ottawa, Canada, who has done his own independent analysis of the photographic evidence. Before retirement in 2003, Dr. Liang was the Head and Thrust Leader of Space Systems and Technologies within the Canadian Department of National Defense. He was a civilian scientist with equivalent military rank of one star General in charge of all research and development activities within Canadian Department of National Defense for Surveillance of Space, Surveillance from Space, Ballistic Missile Defense as well as Nuclear radiation activities.
We have attached to this report that of Dr. Liang because even though it is our contention that the site is manufactured and the materials inside modern, based on our interviews and investigation, Dr. Liang’s analysis of the structural features in the Paraşüt photographs reveal inconsistencies with what would be expected of the real Noah’s Ark.

There is no where that they claimed that Dr. Liang is a photo expert in any sense. Dr. Liang just raised his questions by looking at the photos presented by MEDIA just like I raised one of my questions after I looked at one of the photos, I don't have to be an expert to do that at all.

If someone told me that they found the remains of Adam and then on the wrist bone of Adam's remains in the photo presented by them I saw a Rolex watch, do I need to be a photo expert in order to raise a question? Please!

If they are as scientific as they are, I wish they can be more fair and reasonable at the same time. They can put down Dr. Patton but they can't confirm the claim of MEDIA.

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