方舟布道会上周六举行近二万人出席（6月29日消息）

方舟布道会上周六举行
近二万人出席
（6月29日消息）

时代论坛 / 2010年6月29日

影音使团属下的《创世时报》报道，上周六（六月二十六日）在亚洲博览馆举行的两场「方舟不是神话」布道会，有近二万人出席。大会以方舟的拯救信息及探索队的坚毅精神为主题，鼓励会者在混乱的世代「以最坏的打算，作最好的准备」，并播放十分钟短片介绍探索队找到的方舟遗骸。

包括孙耀威、关心妍、高皓正、周永恒、赵颂茹等在内的基督徒歌手在布道会上献唱励志歌曲，传递正能量。而影音使团总干事袁文辉、杨永祥及梁艺龄等三位探索队成员则上台分享寻觅方舟的过程及在当中的属灵体会；而患有末期淋巴癌、但仍在外国执行任务的队员Panda Lee亦透过录像分享。讲员吴宗文牧师及吴宣伦博士则分享信息，其中吴宣伦博士以科学资讯指世界趋向末日，唯有耶稣基督是人类的盼望。

（www.christiantimes.org.hk，时代论坛每日快拍，2010.6.29）

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Hin / 2010-07-08 18:51:20

Yuen compare their effort to the shroud of Turin but....

Yuen compares his “discovery” of Noah’s Ark to the claims made about the Shroud of Turin, which he says brought many people to believe in Jesus, despite the fact that it has repeatedly been shown to be a fake.

In a report earlier this year around April, there was a display of the Shroud of Turin in Italy and the report stated the following:

對於都靈裹屍布，梵蒂岡從來沒有聲稱該裹屍布是耶穌真迹。吉貝爾蒂蒙席稱它是「一個傳播福音的工具」。他說，都靈裹屍布反映了一個人被釘十字架而死的故事，他的死符合被釘十字架上的所有特種，而這正是耶穌受難的經歷。

If you read the above paragraph carefully, you will realized that the Catholic church never made a claim similar to Yuen's group. They only claimed that the shroud shows the characteristics of a person who was being crucified but they didn't come to the conclusion that this is Jesus' shroud. If someone made such a claim or believed that this is Jesus' shroud, it is their claim and it is their belief but not from the Catholic church.

In 1983, a book written by Dr. John H. Heller, member of the shroud research team titled "Report on the Shroud of Turin". In the book, it stated that the research team has spend between 100,000 to 150,000 scientific man-hour on the Turin and at the end, the answer is "Science has no way of determining the answer (referring to whether this is the Shroud of Jesus)" p.217.

There are people who believed that it is but there are also those who don't. The truth doesn't depend on how many people believe it is or how many doesn't. The conclusion is no one can made such a claim objectively and scientifically.

I wonder how many hours Yuen and his team has put into the test for the authenticity of the ARK and how scientific the tests are. Making such a hasty claim is simply unwise and even damaging.

Yuen, don't make such a comparison!

Hin / 2010-07-05 19:08:02

A very good article to read is referring to the link from Tervah

As stated in the title.

Hin / 2010-07-05 19:04:28

How can I stop?

I read this comment from a link and it is so true:

作為一個愛主的人,我當然相信有神蹟,只是現在有些信徒,「事無大小都說神蹟」就有問題了,記住我並沒有否定神蹟,不要過份武斷.

梁小姐在方舟佈道會上說的神蹟,根本與方舟的真實性無關,她說:2006年車禍,沒有破相,是神蹟.那跟尋找方舟有何關係?那跟方舟的真確性有何相關? 問題:若梁小姐不幸破了相,那次就不是神蹟了嗎? 若然她那次四肢都不能動,那就不是神蹟了?

若然有一天,梁小姐找得一枝上帝給摩西的杖,它因為藏在冰雪和火山灰的石層下,所以到今日也保存得完好無缺,而且仍然發芽,我相信梁小姐都會告訴大家,這杖是真的,是神給摩西的杖,只要手拿這杖,好行神蹟. (出 4:17)

另外,那位工夫熊貓,他的第四期癌症跟方舟的真實性又有何相關? 司徒華也是第四期癌症,他可以出席6.4 晚會,大聲叫咪,他更出席民主党的會員大會,他沒有大叫是神蹟.

Those who still believe in MEDIA, wake up!

Hin / 2010-07-05 18:19:43

A very good article to read indeed

THE FOLLOWING IS SOME STATEMENTS FROM THE ARTICLE THAT WORTH YOUR NOTICE, FOR "CAPITALS" ARE MINE COMMENTS.

I REALLY RECOMMEND ANYONE WHO HAS A CONCERN FOR THIS SHOULD READ THE WHOLE ARTICLE AND FORWARD IT TO OTHER CHRISTIANS.

HERE ARE THE STATEMENTS FROM THE ARTICLE:

"Therefore, because Yuen came to be a Christian by what can only be described as bogus means (the Ark claim that piqued his interest was, after all, “not Noah’s Ark”), Yuen feels that it is equally acceptable to use similarly deceptive means to attract others to Christianity."

PLEASE TAKE NOTE OF THE WORD "DECEPTIVE", WE SUPPOSE TO LEAD PEOPLE TO CHRIST AND NOT TO DECEIVE PEOPLE TO BECOME CHRISTIANS.

"(YUEN SAID THE FOLLOWING)Even today when I say that this is 90% sure to be the Ark, assume that one day the 10% rest showed that it is not to be the Ark, even then I don’t think it matters.

The speaker(REFERRING TO YUEN) goes on to compare his “discovery” of Noah’s Ark to the claims made about the Shroud of Turin, which he says brought many people to believe in Jesus, despite the fact that it has repeatedly been shown to be a fake. The speaker admits that the publicity and evangelical opportunities generated by both false claims outweigh the fact that the claims were indeed false."

CAN YOU BELIEVE SUCH A STATEMENT FROM YUEN, TELLING LIE, PRESENTING UNPROVEN FACTS IN ORDER TO WIN OTHERS TO CHRIST, WHAT KIND OF RATIONALE, WHAT KIND OF THEOLOGY IS THAT. THE WORSE IS THAT THERE ARE CHURCHES AND PASTORS WHO WILL BUY THAT! THIS IS INDEED AMAZINGLY SAD.

"A standard line of zealous, evangelistic reasoning is regularly exploited to raise money from Christians for similar religious expeditions. The sales pitch argues: “You want people to believe the Bible, don’t you? Well, if we find Noah’s Ark, the world will have to believe.” As a result, many people give to Noah’s Ark expeditions hoping that a discovery will trigger a sequence of events leading to the world believing the claims made in the Bible.

the organization returns to its donors to ask for still more funding. The organization uses one of two approaches: they will either claim to be victims of religious persecution by “godless” scientists and insist that their claims were refuted in an effort to “suppress the truth of the faith,” or, the organization will ask for more money in order to “finish the job,” exploiting the familiar line: “But we’re so close.”

THIS IS EXACTLY HOW MEDIA APPROACH THEIR DONORS AND GET SUPPORT FROM CHURCHES, THE SAD THING IS THESE DONORS AND CHURCHES ACTUALLY FELL FOR IT!

I RECOMMENDED STRONGLY THAT YOU READ THE FOLLOWING LINK:

RobertCargill.com, April 28, 2010.

http://robertcargill.com/2010/04/28/no-you-didnt-find-noahs-ark/.

ONCE AGAIN, READ IT, THERE ARE MORE LINKS IN THESE ARTICLES AND WEBSITES, READ THEM MORE AND DISCERN THE TRUTH AND STOP THE SPREADING OF THE LIE AND THE CONTINUATION OF SUCH WRONGFUL PRACTICE. IT IS NOT HONORING GOD AT ALL!

Tevah / 2010-07-02 01:29:12

Matthew 23:15

http://www.bibleinterp.com/articles/misuse357930.shtml

Hin / 2010-06-29 18:26:07

Very unclear...

I have watched the report from MEDIA and it is not very clear and confusing in certain areas:

初步點算的決志、回轉或慕道者，總共大約有一千人！現場所見，當日站出來表態決志者，幾近迫爆台前幕後！
For 20,000 people's attendance, only 1000 came to the front as a total for both nights. But, they didn't specify how many are accepting Christ, how many are returning to God and how many are interested to know more. They put all groups of people together in order to have a bigger and more appealing figure, that is MEDIA's usual practise.

吳宗文牧師，以「見到方舟，猶似手指指向上帝的方向」
Does that mean Rev. Ng also believed and confirmed that they have discovered the ARK? Very doubtful!

吳宣倫博士更將今次盛事，與葛培理牧師的大型佈道會媲美。
I think there is a very basic difference, for Billy Graham, he will only based on the Word of God and the Gospel and he won't and will never make up anything like MEDIA to attract people to come. I think Dr. Wu is just one step short of comparing himself with Dr. Billy Graham!

In their report, they will only report positive side and for those who went and didn't feel right about the meeting will not have the chance to report how they feel except may be put something on their own blog. Because of this, MEDIA will continue to post their own positive image to the public and many people will continue to "buy" or believe that MEDIA is good, both MEDIA and many people will continue to be blind and won't be able to see the real picture.

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