由林以诺牧师主讲的「Yeah Show」栋笃笑布道会，将於本周六、日（4月2及3日）晚上举行。但在布道会举行前，林以诺备受家人健康及个人健康问题困扰，故发出代祷信呼吁弟兄姊妹祷告支持。
信中提到林以诺的岳母上周突然中风入院，幸经治疗已於本周二（3月29日）出院。但林以诺本身亦於周一（3月28日）起出现咽喉痛及感冒徵状，担心未能及时痊愈影响周六周日的信息分享。
另外，周六的「Yeah Show」门票已几乎售罄，周日一场则尚馀一千门票。整项活动暂时尚有三十万元赤字。
（www.christiantimes.org.hk，时代论坛每日快拍，2005.3.30）
我認為以棟篤笑方式傳福音是可行的!
我認為以棟篤笑方式傳福音是可行的!我最感恩的是71歲的爸爸在2003年林牧師的佈道會內決志信主，他也是基於對棟篤笑的好奇才願意跟我去佈道會，總之事就這樣成了。
此外，我有4位做生意的朋友，從來不肯去佈道會，但當我買了2003年林牧師的棟篤笑佈道會門票而邀請他們去看，其中一位朋友竟即時致電她的朋友，炫耀有人免費請她看林牧師的棟篤笑！結果4位朋友也樂意地參與那次佈道會，有時候，人的反應是很奇怪的，而神的安排也是很奇妙的！
願我們以不同的方式去祝福更多未信的人！
I agreed with 會計人
我同意要多牧養初信者,我也同意佈道要適切,"向甚麼人就作甚麼人".
We are not arguing for nothing nor arguing for the sake of arguing.
I agreed that we should use different methods to reach different groups of people. Rev. Lam's style definitely can reach a certain group of people and I am thankful for that.
In the church, when we teach a group of senior, when we teach couples, when we teach children, even it is the same topic, the content and approach have to be different. That only make sense because our desire is to reach people in the most effective way.
At the same time, we must draw a line to how far we can go and we must be aware that the end can't justify the mean.
In the kind of show as "Yeah Show", two things that concerns me. One is the name of the show, I don't think it is appropriate at all. There are many other names that they can use, why this one. There are many other names that can still appeal to young people, why can't they use those. Secondly, once again is the finance. We love to see the final audited report of the show and make it public.
I agreed that we should be different in dealing with different people but there can be better ways to do so.
栽培,牧養
很認同小肢體,我們應該為牧者及機構的同工禱告.
本人認同少年人都較接受活潑的講導方式,而林牧師正好能使他們安靜的坐下來聽聽神的話語.多年前我曾邀請一個少年人出席林牧師的講導,雖然她沒有即時決志信主,但她對基督教沒有從前的抗拒.而我亦感受到少年人從中也明白神的訉息.只要我們是懷着純全的心去做,又何必被型式的框架所限制?
與其浪費心神討論佈道型式,不如多費心神於栽培及牧養那些剛決志的小羊,各區敎會如何配合不同佈道會去為神牧養小羊,使他們不會前門入後們出.我們是同一主,同一信,同一冼,為何要執著於派別,各自為政.
但願我們為主多結美好的果子.
To 虞:Indeed it is about honesty
Being in the Christian circle for so many years, we began to know more and more cases that requires our examination and alertness in the present and future ministry. It is not that we don't trust our own brothers and sisters and those who said that they are going to "save" people for God but indeed we are sinners and indeed there are false prophets and indeed there are people who will use God's name in vain or for their own benefit.
We have witnessed the downfall of the PTL in the USA in the 1980's, we are now witnessing the deception of the Heavenly Man天上人 in the new millenium, there are also deceptions from the "faith healing" crusades in the past decades......even so, people still fall into those traps and believe in them.
I think pastors have a very important role to play. Their teaching in the church is very important. I remember last year there was a very popular meeting in my city and the promotion is very successful and powerful. Many people are waiting for the date of the meeting. But, I knew at least one church that the pastor explained to the congregation why the church is not promoting it and the reasons behind. That is crucial. We can't just tell people to support this or not to support that, we need to tell them why.
When people trust the Christian workers, they must not disappointed them or abuse their trust. By looking at the way some organizations in their manipulating of the emotions of believers, in the reporting of their success story, in projecting their own dreams and visions, in justifying their improper promotions....how can we trust them. Please keep our eyes wide open!
To William
一切都原來係 base on honesty 既 system。
你開佈道會﹐話有100人決志信耶穌﹐我就要信。唔通又搵個“auditor” 棟響度查下邊個係真決志﹐邊個唔係咩﹗
不過﹐而家太多人注重數字而不是實質﹐我聽過有學校佈道會﹐個細路原來次次到﹐次次舉手﹐次次都 count。。。。。
如果真係要“audit” 。。。嘻嘻﹐呢門“生意”都會好好搵。。。
我已知道YEAH﹗SHOW和影音無關
三十萬元赤字﹐或者和預算有落差有關﹐也可能是策略有關。一般這種事工是預左有奉獻方面收入﹐不會單靠賣飛收入的。可能奉獻收入不預期少。
所以要看個 project account才可以知道那裡預算出現誤差。
Where is the financial statement?
I went to the website of Media but I can't find anywhere that has their annual financial report of 2004. Did I miss anything?
I went to their fund raising link. All of them just tell you how much they need but there is no updates at all. There is no update or report on the previous and present projects. We can't find out the accumulted surplus or deficit of any individual project. We can only know how much they need for a certain project. For such an organization of this kind of magnitude, updating the website is very simple. A day to day reporting is necessary. They might have already exceeded what they need, they might be very far from what they need, who knows if they don't tell us.
I went to their link about the movie of Noah's Ark, they said that there are a lot of people accepted Christ but there is no number. They have set a goal of bringing 5000 to Christ. If they don't have a number, how can they know whether they reached their goal or not? If they can't do that, then why set a goal, isn't that misleading after all?
I think all these are just a few examples. I mean just a few! Can they do better than that? I am sure they could. They are very gifted and capable just by looking at what they have done so far but the question is whether they are willing to do what they should.
To LYL: that is a good question indeed
I have looked at some proposals from organizations in the past and at the present time. If they asked for fundings, they must present the nature and content of their project or ministry and then they should list their budget with every items and will sum up to a total amount. After that, they will indicate how much they have or what source of income they will get. Finally, what is the remaining need that they have.
As a more honest and professional way of doing things, they should at least least the above before they asked for funding.
I believe that their excuse is that they can't list so many information on the newspaper or in their appeal pamphlets. Then, I would suggest they should have a website to put the details there, for those who are interested to know, they can always go there to look at them. It is a very simple thing. If they can organize such a huge event, putting this information on a temporary website is nothing.
The point is if they thought of this and didn't do it, it is fishy to me. If they didn't thought of this, I think they have a problem in their management and fund raising ability.
The final questions is who gets the money?
I think this applies to Rev. Lam as well as Media.
I also agreed that there is certain limitation to this kind of evangelism. I am not against it, but there is limitation. For those brothers and sisters who brought friends to this kind of meetings must do follow up, I mean good follow up works.
I have been counsellor for some of these meetings, and I found that many really don't know why and what they believed in when they raise up their hand or walk up to the front. They just have the urge to do so and may be one statement from the speaker hit them right on. For example, one said, the speaker asked whether we want real peace or not and I want it and so I went up to the front. That will only provide a chance for us to share the gospel with the person but doesn't mean he or she is a Christian based on that desire.
As I said in some of my previous comments, two things that are worst that we can do to others. One is when someone is a Christian and we tell him or her that he or she is not; the other is when someone is not a Christian and we tell him or her that he or she is.
About spending money in such a way is again a very debatable question. Some will say that their family members or friends will never go to a regular evangelistic meeting but they will go to this kind of "show" and they think every penny is worth it to organize such a show. They will say that getting one of these people into contact with the Gospel or God is priceless. This is very hard to argue but what I concern more is what kind of message is being presented in this kind of meeting. For those who haven't been to church, what kind of image they will received about God and Christianity? For those first timers, first impression is very important, how would this kind of show affect their interest in Chrsitianity?
I agreed that it is vey easy for us to raise questions. But I want to point out that I appreciate all efforts spend in the ministry and for the Gospel. We just want to see things done in a better way.
William: I am wrong
We are right. This year's show has no connection to Media Evangelism. I am sorry. I have these impression because the first Yeah Show was held by ME.
I praise God when someone accept Christ in this kind of meeting. However, I still do not understand, since they are charging HK$40 to 300 for each ticket and there are so many commerical sponsers, why are they still asking over HK$500000 donation? Is that a effective way to use Christian's donation? Who follow up in this kind of meeting?How many of them who accepted Christ in this meeting still active in the Church? I still think that it is an entertainment show rather than an evangelistic one. I do not mind that Rev Lam continue to do it, but it is not worthwhile to use so much resource to do it.
很認同‘小肢體’
同意你的做法。的確﹐我們要努力建造﹐而不是隨便拆毀。當弟兄有不足﹐就不是說晦氣說話的時候﹐而是盡力能幫多少就幫多少﹐補弟兄之不足﹐何況弟兄不是不敬畏上帝的人﹐豈可輕易拒絕他﹖ 快快的聽﹐慢慢的說﹐慢慢的動怒﹔能寬容的就儘量寬容﹐總要為了造就對方。
大家都多為林牧師祈禱吧。我覺得林牧師很需要基督徒在禱告裡提醒他。
‘小肢體’朋友﹐要好好守望基督徒的論壇呀﹐也為論壇恆切祈禱。 再見﹗
I appreciate your prayer desire
小肢體's prayer desire worth my acknowledgment and appreciation.
It is very very important that we pray for God's servants. I think there are people who will misuse God's name for their own benefit but it is only a small minority. Most servants of God has a pure desire and clean motivation to serve God and to reach people for God, there is no doubt about it.
I cannot judge anyone's motivation to be good or bad since I cannot read other's mind. I just want to point out that there might be other ways to reach the desired target group. We might not be able to find the best way to achieve a certain result, but we should always look for a better way.
Keep praying and thank you for sharing with us.
我願為此禱告
神看重僕人的，會是其動機與忠心。
我一方面會認為林牧師的「棟篤笑佈道會」事工，亦可以是一種值得支持的佈道工作，另方面，我也願意為林牧師今次的佈道禱告，特別會為林牧師於純正心靈的保守，及會為來聽的人能得著對其人生和永生重要的信息而禱告。
To LYL: Is it connected to Media?
As I remember, this meeting is not organized nor connected with Media.
But, since Rev. Lam was so closely related to Media in the past, it is easy for the public to think that it is once again another show by Media.
Most Christian do not like this kind of show mainly originated from the 蘇哥show. The name of Jesus is the name above all names and we can't and shouldn't use it lightly. "Yeah Show" obvious has the intention to match the name 耶穌. Don't tell me that is just accidental and not intentional. If it is so, correct me and my response is "what a big surprise and coincidence!"
I personally do not agreed to use the name of Jesus in this way. Rev. Lam and Media have been walking on the wire in the past years. They really have the courage to challenge the grey areas and the boundaries of Christian conduct. Their courage is greatly acknowledged but not appreciated.
There are many other objections to this kind of show but they have been listed in the past when 蘇哥show first came out. I hope 不明人 can understand a bit more by now. You might not think it is a big thing but to some, it is.
I think "Anonymous" must have more reasons, but that is the first one that came to my mind.
Let me say this ahead of time that there will be people accepting Christ in this kind of meetings. The need in people's heart for God and the power of the Gospel and the power of the Word of God won't change inspite of some inappropriate way of doing things. But, once again, the end won't justify the mean.
I remember a story that I heard more than 25 years ago: a person bought a plant and a person stole a plant from the same shop. Both watered the plant and took good care of the plants and both plants grew and blossomed. The plant won't die because it is stolen from the shop. The end is the same disregard the way the plants get to those person's home. Think about it.
Here it comes again
Another show connected with Media Evangelism. Of course, another appeal for donation. This time, only HK$300000, even though it said the tickets are mostly sold.
