影音使團發佈方舟新證據亞拉臘山四千八百年木結構（4月26日消息）

Hin / 2010-05-04 17:28:25

Serious consequence

Based on the lack of professionalism in the Hong Kong team both in 2004 and 2009, I am afraid that they don't even realized how serious this case can be.

If it is a hoax, it is more than just another mistake, they might have to face court action from Turkish government.

I am sure they are now thinking all possible ways to solve this, to avoid serious penalty....it is both interesting but also serious to watch what is next because it is not just a matter of religion but also a matter of the Hong Kong people or being a Chinese.

If it is a hoax, MEDIA not only disgrace Christians, Evangelicals but also Chinese.

How much I wish they found the ARK but also how much I worry they didn't find the ARK.

There is a saying: "Making a mistake the first time can be an accident but making it again is shame."

Mr. Yuen might be good in entertainment business but this is serious matter, it is not an entertainment. Let serious people deal with serious matter, let professional people deal with professional matter.

I am quite shock and surprise that so many "famous" and "respectable" pastors are falling for this, where are we heading today in "evangelism" and in "God's church"....

Hin / 2010-04-30 11:13:42

Time for repentance

The MEDIA just refused to learn from their own failure. They rushed into making a false claim in 2005, they produced the DVD, the book and even a series of gifts and product (talk about marketing and money making strategies) and then they move on to build the theme park with Noah's Ark as the main attraction and then they went to Turkey again and again still hoping to find the Ark....when will there be an end to all these?

Yes, the end is near (both the coming of the Lord and this Ark project) and remember the word of Jesus when He said the Kingdom is near, REPENT!

I think that is what MEDIA need to do, REPENT of all the wrongs that they have done in the past and make right with God.

Hin / 2010-04-30 11:13:42

Time for repentance

The MEDIA just refused to learn from their own failure. They rushed into making a false claim in 2005, they produced the DVD, the book and even a series of gifts and product (talk about marketing and money making strategies) and then they move on to build the theme park with Noah's Ark as the main attraction and then they went to Turkey again and again still hoping to find the Ark....when will there be an end to all these?

Yes, the end is near (both the coming of the Lord and this Ark project) and remember the word of Jesus when He said the Kingdom is near, REPENT!

I think that is what MEDIA need to do, REPENT of all the wrongs that they have done in the past and make right with God.

張國棟 / 2010-04-30 06:01:24

如果連Liberty U的教授也批評這是造假，恐怕我們不用再苦索思量了（沒內文）

沒內文

虞瑋倩 / 2010-04-29 22:00:05

Why not check this out...

Dr. Randall Price of Liberty University declared that this find is a fake:
http://www.examiner.com/x-44168-Philadelphia-Freethought-Examiner~y2010m4d28-Oops-Nevermind-RandallPriceNotedArkHunter-says-latest-find-is-fake

Hin / 2010-04-29 16:51:44

It is useful to review and cross check

Since most Hong Kong or Chinese Christians have little exposure to the expedition and research of the Ark, it might be good to read more about it before drawing any conclusion. Our desire to find the Ark can not be used to prove the discovery, our lack of trust in MEDIA also can not be used to disprove the discovery.

Take a look at the following link:
http://ianjuby.org/newsletter/?p=307

It might help if we do some research on the people being mentioned in the article and if we review the video clip once again, it is indeed interesting that it seems to be a combination of different video clips, watch the people involved and the clothings that they are wearing.

I am not saying that they are making this up for sure but I think they should provide footages that are more convincing and avoid unnecessary speculation or doubt.

At this time, once again, I want to caution that MEDIA will soon start the fund raising in order to continue for more expeditions which they claimed that might take up to 10 more years. We should wait for more results and clear some obvious doubts first before we jump right into this meaningful project.

As usual, MEDIA will start to invite well-known pastors and Christians (especially the scientists) to back them up in order to win the trust from the public and then get the support from the public.

I think they should clear the doubts and answer the questions first, after all, this is a very meaningful and important venture, it worth every effort that they can provide.

Keep going!

小信徒 / 2010-04-29 07:55:16

有正有反係好事

當全教會甚至連坊間媒體都一窩風讚好/唔識問問題的時候, 正反映呢個論壇存在的價值. hin的發現, 讓大家可以討論一下, 不是有價值嗎?

所謂真的假不了, 假的真不了. 現在似乎是向"真"的方向踏出了一步, 但難道就要全人類一起當成真, 不准從"假"的方向問問題? 連一點點討論/質疑也不可以?

約拿 / 2010-04-28 23:30:05

期待更多明確證據

基督徒的確不能盲從一切肯定聖經記載的發現，但考證過程卻不應像一般大眾那樣以偏概全，戴着有色眼鏡假設必定背後另有陰謀，或有人從中取利。期待有更多明確的證據。而且我相信上帝，” 這有何妨呢？或是假意，或是真心，無論怎樣，基督究竟被傳開了。為此，我就歡喜，並且還要歡喜；”(腓立比書1章18節)

Hin / 2010-04-28 20:13:44

Indeed it is a good news

I am sure all of us should be happy for the discovery.

In 2005, MEDIA made the claim but the evidences weren't not there. This time, they are a lot more careful and I am glad to see that.

The more we can answer questions, the more we can clarify doubts, the stronger we can present the case and avoid similar chaos as in 2005.

It is interesting to me that they didn't mention about the site that they visited in 2004, I raised this up hoping that they will cover it or clarify it.

In 2005, many people also tried to use that opportunity to share the Gospel but there were many back fire due to the lack of evidences and what was presented is based on speculation. They are moving too fast.

We as Christians must have the desire to lead others to Christ, there is no doubt about this but we must also be careful not to bear false witness.

We are not trying to hurt our fellow Christians but rather to protect them and the general public.

I watched the videos and they seems to be very convincing but there are still some questions waiting for them to answer.

佚名Anonymous / 2010-04-28 19:24:58

諍言讓人清醒

有則改之，無則嘉勉。

雪山飛鷹 / 2010-04-28 19:23:32

方舟被發現，係天大喜訊！連大眾傳媒都作出正面佈道．．何解教內竟．．．

方舟被發現，係天大喜訊！連大眾傳媒都紛紛作出正面報道！呢個應該係教內廣傳福音同埋拯救訊息既大好時機，而且刻不容緩，要為呢個機會向上帝獻上感恩既禱告！

若然要花時間响雞蛋內挑骨頭，何解唔將呢啲精力用來鑽研點樣利用呢個大好機會，將上帝既訊息傳揚開去？

阿美 / 2010-04-28 19:18:45

方舟發現

據我所知，有資料提及過因為亞拉臘山一場地震，所以方舟遺骸可能斷開幾截，可以幾年前發現既地方同依家唔同，都無衝突，因為唔同地方都有可能見到。

雪山飛鷹 / 2010-04-28 18:06:55

點解教內次次有親大事出現，呢度總會湧現負面睇法？

點解教內次次有親大事出現，呢度總會湧現負面睇法？

小信徒 / 2010-04-28 11:09:48

值得深究!

如題!

Hin / 2010-04-28 08:30:46

Another discovery, interesting to read it

Isn't this interesting? Another earlier discovery of wooden structure and even with sea shells shown in their video.

Take a look at the report and the video:

http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=813

Compare these two reports, one by Base Institute and one by MEDIA, it seems the one by Base Institute is more reliable. Imagine a wooden structure going thorough 4000 summer and winter and what should it be like after all these weathering?

Just think about it. May be someone can comment on this, it is just common sense.

Hin / 2010-04-28 02:02:46

I knew that they already knew about this but they don't care to respond...

Please read the following and do some research on this person and his organization:

Subject: Ark probably not found

Dear Friends,

Many of you have seen the preliminary news announcement of an alleged discovery of Noah's Ark by a Chinese expedition team and asked me for clarification. I knew this was coming and have been praying about how to respond.

I was the archaeologist with the Chinese expedition in the summer of 2008 and was given photos of what they now are reporting to be the inside of the Ark. I and my partners invested $100,000 in this expedition (described below) which they have retained, despite their promise and our requests to return it, since it was not used for the expedition. The information given below is my opinion based on what I have seen and heard (from others who claim to have been eyewitnesses or know the exact details).

To make a long story short: this is all reported to be a fake. The photos were reputed to have been taken off site near the Black Sea, but the film footage the Chinese now have was shot on location on Mt. Ararat. In the late summer of 2008 ten Kurdish workers hired by Parasut, the guide used by the Chinese, are said to have planted large wood beams taken from an old structure in the Black Sea area (where the photos were originally taken) at the Mt. Ararat site. In the winter of 2008 a Chinese climber taken by Parasut's men to the site saw the wood, but couldn't get inside because of the severe weather conditions. During the summer of 2009 more wood was planted inside a cave at the site. The Chinese team went in the late summer of 2009 (I was there at the time and knew about the hoax) and was shown the cave with the wood and made their film. As I said, I have the photos of the inside of the so-called Ark (that show cobwebs in the corners of rafters - something just not possible in these conditions) and our Kurdish partner in Dogubabyazit (the village at the foot of Mt. Ararat) has all of the facts about the location, the men who planted the wood, and even the truck that transported it.

To my knowledge, the Chinese took no professional archaeologist or geologist who could verify or document the wood or the structure in situ (in its place of discovery). They were duped in 2006-2007 by Parasut when they were shown a similar cave with something they thought was wood. I met the Chinese when I went with a team of geologists to examine the "wood" in Dogubabyazit and to report that it was volcanic rock (called "tuff") and not wood. Thereafter, since the Chinese were apparently able to get permits to climb in previously off-limit sites, I and two other professionals joined with the Chinese (bringing our own independent satellite data) and went with them to Mt. Ararat in 2008. During that expedition, the guide Parasut who claimed to have found the Ark, was constantly drunk and after one month sitting in a hotel waiting, the expedition never happened. It was at this time that I made contact with Dr. Richard Bright who has climbed Mt. Ararat 33 times in search of the Ark and with several others climbed the western side of Mt. Ararat with a shepherd (who had recently been discovered by Dr. Bright's Kurdish partner) who knew the location of a piece of the Ark. Last year we had a good expedition to a higher site (the satellite site) and this summer we will excavate the shepherd's site and have every reason to expect success.

I am sorry to have to report that this is apparently a fake (and I am sure that the Chinese do not know this, but they do not respond to my e-mails), however, we do hope soon to have the real thing.

I encourage your prayers for me and others who will have to explain this "discovery" to many others - because negative reports are never well received and motives are questioned, especially when those doing so are part of a competitive expedition. But we do not want people to reject the truth of the Bible because another Noah's Ark report turns out to be false. We prefer to as clear upfront in our reporting as possible so Christians (and others) can make up their own minds.

I hope that this will be helpful to you at this time,

Randall Price
Archaeologist
Ark Search LLC Expedition

I am sure MEDIA will make use of what they found to raise more money for future trips and to promote their theme park in Ma Wan, I hope Christians are more careful and smarter.

Hin / 2010-04-27 21:38:13

The timing of two discoveries

From the MEDIA's website, we found the followings:

探索隊領隊阿密．埃圖魯最先掌握位置並開始探索，他解釋道：「我在2008年6月知道秘密地點，消息來源指那是挪亞方舟。我帶領隊員在那一帶探索並發現木結構。我拍攝了內部空間的照片。由於我數年來跟挪亞方舟國際事工合作，於是把發現告知了他們。」

What does that mean?

When they first claimed that they have discovered the Ark is in 2004 but now in their own statement, the team leader said that they have discovered the secret place of the Ark in June of 2008, that is 4 years after their first claim of discovery.

Will that show us that the first claim MEDIA made is not true at all?

Hin / 2010-04-27 21:18:00

Noah's Ark is not the only thing in life or in the Bible

As I read the three postings on this page, it seems that they have great doubt about MEDIA's claim. After all, they only said that it is "VERY LIKELY" to be the Noah's Ark and still waiting for more research in the coming months or years, that is why they need to sign a partnership agreement with the Turkish government.

No matter this is the REAL Noah's Ark or not, whatever MEDIA claimed a few years ago is still irresponsible and even unethical. What they wrote in the book, what they presented in the DVD and what they claimed in their promotion are all ungrounded but only exaggeration and personal speculation.

One thing quite interesting to find out is that whether this recent discovery is the same site that they visited a few years ago? Can anyone find out? Did they state that what they discovered a few years ago is the same site as this one? If not, it further reinforced the inappropriate claim that they made in that year.

Also, no matter this is the REAL Noah's Ark or not, we need to bear in mind there are hundreds of archaeological findings in the past and there are hundreds of prophecies that have been fulfilled. We also have the nation of Israel, the person of Jesus and the wonderful Bible to lead and help people to know God. There are also thousands and thousands of Christians who can testified to the reality of God.

NOAH'S ARK is not the only thing, not that it is not important but not the only thing. Objective evidence is good and helpful but subjective experience and transformation is also important. Christians and Christian leaders must live up to their faith and to show forth their faith in their lives and not just in archaeological findings.

Our God is real, not only in history but must also be real in life. If Christians, Christian churches and Christian leaders continue to do things and say things that is against what they believe, I am sorry to say that the faith that we claim will not be attractive at all and all our outreach efforts will not be as effective as we wish.

Somehow I wish this finding is true so that MEDIA can stop asking for more money. How much I wish to know how much they have spend so far in this? Will anybody know?

小信徒 / 2010-04-27 07:55:35

愚見

我都覺得呢單野唔係咁簡單, 背後牽涉一個媒體機構自我包裝宣傳同一個國家想振興旅業的動機. 但問題係我們這些質疑人士如果只是閒話式批評, 便又俾左藉口對方覺得自己為義受逼迫、神的工作遭魔鬼攻擊.

有否一些有科學/考古背景的專業人士, 可以俾d有學理基礎的質疑? 免得現在只有一面之詞. 話晒對方都自稱有d土耳其同歐洲考古學者參與. 查實那些學者的背景係乜水? 又有否其他冰川都曾發現樹木? 若有, 便可合理地質疑呢次發現都唔係咩大發現~~~~ 可惜我冇呢方面知識.

快必 / 2010-04-26 23:58:57

都話聖經真係真lalalalalala

快d捐多d錢支持「影陰使團」我超鐘意個套「天經地異」又話以色列復國係天經地異，又合理化以色列逼害巴勒斯坦人，為咗坤人入教，無所不用其極，除了聖經，係咪應該有常識和良知呢？

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