北京市基督教會海淀堂於五月廿七日在其網頁上就耶穌青年會及相關事項發表聲明後，於昨日（五月廿九日）在其網頁內就聲明發表第二稿，其與第一稿的分別主要有兩處，其一是聲明在第二稿末加上以下一段文字：
海淀堂聲明5月27日發佈後，海淀堂相關同工分別接到「耶青」成員的電話，電話中帶有脅迫性語言，而辯解邏輯令人困惑，這使我們又進一步確定了發表聲明的必要性。
北京市基督教海淀堂
2008年5月29日
註：此為已刊出聲明文本的第二稿。對以前文稿有興趣的人士可以與我們接洽提供。但海淀堂觀點以最新文稿爲准。
另一處則在第一稿全文中段位置，就該堂處理「耶青」的行動作進一步解釋，其刊於第二稿的修訂句子如下：
基於以上的觀察、發現，出於對我們教會事工的責任，海淀堂已經做出如下決定：要求「耶青」相關人員離開海淀堂大學生團契事工。
相關資訊：【《基督日報》事件專輯】
（http://www.christiantimes.org.hk/，時代快拍，2008.5.30）
我們當作的事
耶穌青年會的事情是要處理。就看到底我們靠著什麽來處理了。若是靠著信心，靠著理智，靠著神的，必會見識真相。所以在那之前，不應該要去掉那些阻隔在我們面前的混沌嗎？看看某些人發表的意見實在毫無真實，只是想要左右輿論聲音，一再扭曲信息的行為何時停止呢？但是這些不是處於神的，也都必定敗壞。所以追究真相的人只能是虔心尋求神的智慧與真理。To someone inside the church: what else can we say besides Amen
Thanks for sharing these important truth with us.
We need to spread the Gospel, we need to love one another, we need to care for the sick, we need to forgive and pray for our enemy, we need to serve in the church, we need to do the will of God......
When we do all these, we will face persecution, we will still be sick, we will be misunderstood, we will be tempted, we will ....
BUT, we still have to deal with the issue about GH and YD as they are and as we should. God will guide us but we must be willing to follow.
I am not being sarcastic but I just want to keep our focus.
我們當做的事
謝謝HIN的分享
如果我們仍然相信今日我們所信所傳的福音是唯一的福音...
如果我們仍然相信除了耶穌基督之外，天上地下並沒有賜下別的名叫我們能靠著得救...
如果我們仍然禱告“願你的國降臨。願你的旨意行在地上、如同行在天上”...
如果我們仍然相信主耶穌必親自再來...
讓我們不要懼怕，也不要慌張， 只要仰望、等待，只管做神葡萄園內忠心的僕人。因為任何勢力將不能勝過我們，神必完成自己的旨意。
To someone in the church: observation? that is what we have been doing.
We have been observing GH and YD for sometime already, very soon will be one year. We don't judge a book by its cover, we don't even judge a person by what he or she said.
Here is a comment that I posted earlier in another link for your reference:
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This is what the believer said: 我認為大家解決這件事情的過程中，得要用合神心意的方法。 Chan認為(你們??)自己100%正確，在為真理爭戰嗎？基報也有可能認為他們自己也是100%誠實無偽地事奉上帝，在為真理爭戰呢！可是，神看這件事情，自有神獨特的看法。真理在哪裡？難道在你我哪裡嗎？還是在基報哪裡呢？都不是，在神手上自有辨別。 I totally agreed with the statement要用合神心意的方法, but what is it? As you said in the next paragraph, I think both sides will think that they are doing God's will and in God's way. The believer also said 在神手上自有辨別. Indeed God knows the truth, I have no doubt, but what do we know? Do we know what God knows? Can we know as God knows? Did God tell us what He knows so that we can know what is the truth in this case? I think God has laid down many principles from the Bible for us to use in order to discern the truth or to make sound judgement. We don't have to be perfect in exercising those principles in order to make any judgement; we don't have to be perfect even in understanding those principles before we can use them. If we ask for that, there is absolutely nothing we can do at all and I think it is not right to ask something so absolute from someone who is so limited like each one of us. Judging from the fruit of a tree is one principle stated in the Bible. When we looked at the last seven months' progress, there are many fruits we can see from GH and YD, I think that is quite obvious. We should also bear in mind that when Satan tempted Jesus, he also used scriptures to do so. We should also remember that Paul warn us that Satan can disguised himself as an angel. Bear in mind that I am not saying that who is Satan and who is not but I am pointing out that it is possible. From common sense, if I am deceiving you, I won't tell you I am doing so; from common practise, if someone is untrustworthy in many issues, others have the right to doubt the person's trustworthiness in other issues. As someone adviced me earlier that I shouldn't say too much and therefore, I will stop here and wait for further evidences and development. I said the above is in response to some of the recent comments and hope that we won't loose our focus and continue to maintain our enquiry. I think it is not that simple to ask others stop talking about it if we look at the seriousness and magnitude of the issue. Eventhough there are people who are more emotional, subjective, or even unreasonable and rude, others still have the right to concern and the right to look into this. This forum is for us to express ourselves and interact with others, once again, it has no significant impact on the case. Churches and christian organizations are making their own decision as to support or not to support GH. We can make our own decision and that is how far we can go. | |
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觀察期
張大衛牧師都是你我都不認識的人，但看看525證人對他的說法，也沒有特別非常惡劣的評論。至於所謂他操控這些青年人做事工，為他們舉行所謂配婚等等，都也純屬於楊子聰和滕張佳音師母的一些個人推測，讓大家警惕。
現在沒有證據說張大衛牧師就自稱是再來的基督，也沒有證據看到香港耶穌青年會及香港基督日報的有關人士有這樣的confession，無論怎麼說，我們還不能下什麽結論。我們還是觀察觀察吧。
my 2 points, and I will stop
1. Saying YD or GH "have said" this and that (implying therefore that we have to believe them) means nohthing. They can say any number of things, and can turn around denying all. Remember: Cults can do this...
2. I certainly know how a cult - any cult - can entrap, brainwash its followers with its own ways. It does not have to claim anything remotely Christian to do so!!!!!
However, it is legitimate to compare Jang with Christ since Jang is alledgely to have claimed he is the second-coming Christ, and that the first cross has failed.....Since he claims to be christian, and that he can accomplish what the first Christ and the first cross COULD NOT do, we CAN HOLD HIM accountable to be christian and to be what he claims.
If he says he is the Lord of an extra-terrestrial religion XYZ from planet ABC, we will have no business "attacking" him.
Why attack religion XYZ when it has nothing to do with Christianity? And when it is NOT targetting Christians?
異端迷思
Hin 講得有道理：Most cult leaders will claim a new and different revelation, a new and different authority, a new and different salvation, a new and different Christ and a new and different end of the world.
凡是沒有高舉聖經為最高權威的都是異端邪教的特徵！
唯獨聖經、唯獨恩典、唯獨信心、唯獨基督、唯獨神的榮耀。 阿門！
YD已經說過十字架是徹底的得勝
我們從來沒有宣稱也不相信主第一次來是失敗的，他是為了擔當我們的罪而甘心走上十字架的。十字架不是失敗，乃是主耶穌基督在這個世界完全的得勝，通過主耶穌基督在十字架上流出寶血，向我們整個人類彰顯出父神很大饒恕的愛，我們通過祂十字架代贖，蒙 神的恩典，憑著信心接受這愛就白白的稱義。
我們不相信「某人就是再來的基督」的論調。對於主的再來，我們堅信的是將來必親自有權柄有榮耀再臨世上，並且我們相信耶穌基督必快再來。
耶青同工續指：「在客西馬尼園的禱告中，我們看到的是主沒有按照人的意思，只尋求 神的旨意，全心順服的走上十字架的道路，我們可以確認一點：主是甘心走上十字架的道路的。同時，裡面有痛苦的眼淚是我們不可以輕看的，因為我們的罪把道成為肉身的主刺傷了。然而，主以難以形容的愛來背負我們所有的問題，所有的罪惡。所以，主是以完全的愛來得勝人類有所的罪惡，十字架分明是徹底的得勝，成就了整個人類的救贖！阿門。」
針對525聚會中，有教牧竟然根據網上傳聞指責耶青相信「十字架是失敗」及「某人是再來的基督」等謬論，耶青沒有教導也不相信此等教導。同時亦強調如有人不接受其信仰告白，而相信「十字架是失敗」及「某人是再來的基督」的話，耶青「絕對不接受這人成為本會的會員」及「絕對抗拒這異端信仰到底的」。
D LAW, 恐怕最近你miss 了一些重要的報道。這是最近耶穌青年會在記者會上所說的。他們是以為第一次十字架失敗嗎？請留心聽聽再說。
各位，我們沒有權柄把YD從基督教中趕出去，看這個最後的信仰告白，誰能說他們不是屬於基督教呢？誰能說他們不是心裡相信耶穌基督的基督徒嗎？你說YD和GH的人在背後有自己的一套信仰，口裡面有一套？很多基督徒不都是一樣假冒為善嗎？
不要胡亂測度，因為我們都在神面前被一樣的尺來衡量。
究竟他們的信仰最後要向誰負責呢？是教牧們嗎？是你和我嗎？不是，是上帝。他們口裡面承認的，心裡面相信的，有誰可以驗證？是你嗎？是我嗎？都不是！惟有上帝能夠省察。
如果我們真的愛這些青年人的話，少說話，為他們禱告吧。
未可考證的要小心說
對於D LAW所列舉那些有關張大衛的可能性真是沒有辦法可以考證，所以也不好在這裡隨便說，免得恐嚇別人。未知D LAW是否親身參與過一些異端呢？也許D LAW只是道聽途說聽得太多，也會自己講，講得多都變成真的。
我只有一句話可以勉勵大家：
"那時、若有人對你們說、基督在這裡．或說、基督在那裡．你們不要信....若有人對你們說、看哪、基督在曠野裡．你們不要出去．或說、看哪、基督在內屋中．你們不要信。" - 太24：23、26
About cult leaders
I won't go into details regarding cult or cult leaders but cult leaders doesn't have to perform miracles as Jesus did or be crucified as Jesus. A cult leader can be a leader as long as he or she can attract someone to follow them.
Most cult leaders will claim a new and different revelation, a new and different authority, a new and different salvation, a new and different Christ and a new and different end of the world.
People follow cult leaders for various reasons, some due to curiosity, some due to rebellion, some due to disappointment, some due to the cult leader, some due to their search of truth......as long as the cult can offer something that they don't have or something that they are after, they will follow.
If (I said if) Jang is the leader of a cult (remember I said if), he doesn't have to meet all the requirements of what Law said in his comment at all. Just look at other cults, then we can see that.
After someone joined a cult, the training (or brain washing), the system (or control and isolation) will shape the person to become a devoted member of the cult until the cult member find out something is wrong or someone help the person to realize something is wrong. When the member goes deeper, he or she will become dependent on the cult community and it become more difficult to get out.
I think that is all I can say in here for the general public unless we go into cultic psychology and cultic formation.
The Enigma of Jang and his affiliates
1. All evidences, investigations and testimonials so far have suggested a highly problematic set-up in YD, GH and ultimately Jang;
2. The reason we are unable to clearly uncover the enigma of YD, GH and Jang is due to their very cultish nature (see Note below), including their alluded willingness to use lies to cover up their hidden agenda;
3. Continued discussions here will therefore be rather fruitless until
4. Someone(s) can reveal solid evidences to substantiate their false teaching "behind close doors".
5. Meanwhile, the church needs to continue to watch and expose them.
(Note: Why do we need to watch and expose YD, GH and Jang? The reason is clear: Because they project themselves as Christian and orthodox! Indeed, they may be disguising themselves as "Christian" for the moment in order to hide their final goal which is to establish themselves as a separate and distinctive "religion." If Jang indeed saw himself as the latter-day Christ, it will be interesting to find out what evidences he has offerred to convince his followers he is Christ!! Does he perform miracles like Jesus? Is he ever sick? Was he ever operated on? Does he possess wisdom and holiness matching those of Jesus? What outstanding claims has he made regarding his origin, relation with God the Father, mission and ultimate purpose on earth has he made? What about prophesies pointing to his coming? Or is he planning to sacrifice himself on a "second cross" in order to redeem human-kind since, according to his teaching, the first cross has alludedly failed to do so, etc, etc...)
值得思考重質及重量的問題
確實量越多，保證質素的難度會增加，在國內眾人當中，不難有人信仰走偏，不過，有關團體的確有責任保護信徒信仰之純正；當然，要確保所有人之信仰，這不是能絕對保證的。To pedestrian C: a little feedback
The circular argument that you mentioned is also being used by GH and YD, can't you see that too?
I have also responded to your comment in another link, I am sure you can find it.
What the church in China quoted is their personal experience? They are confirming what others are saying and not depending on what others are saying, that is different.
Watch, there will be more coming, don't just push them into the circle of circular argument and waive it!
致Hin：我不同意你的看法
你的看法過於片面，你的論調的基礎是YD就是存在問題的，並且YD所作的也僅僅只是掙扎著要拆毀質疑YD者的公信度。這樣做不太公平。
調查團、華人教會領袖、甚至中國內地教會，有人已經指出了這個其中的死循環。你現在用中國內地教會來論證海外華人教會的質疑，殊不知中國內地教會用海外華人教會來支持自己的質疑。這個邏輯沒有問題嗎？我看的時候覺得有問題。
還有我覺得為什麽你不嘗試站在另外一面來觀察這件事情呢？
To pedestrian C about press conference
Indeed what you said is logical and make every sense, here is what I posted in another link about the press conference:
YD must have the press conference, if not, what 525 presented will have done a lot of damage to YD and GH.
What they did, both the press conference or the reporting are for internal more than external. The impact that they have is far less than what the others are doing against them. One simple observation is that they are not touching the general Christian public. Some ordinary Christians really doesn't know nor care what is happening. For the Christians leaders, I think they are not convincing at all by such a press conference.
They are trying their best to discredit those who are working against them or accusing them of false witnessing. Those people are putting their credibility on the line. As I said earlier, for the general Christian public, it is hard for us to prove the trustworthiness of either side. How do we know what they said is true or not? Can we go to China, go to Korea, go to Japan? No, we couldn't. Then, how can we judge? We can't judge by a simple statement nor by some witnesses' testimonies. Since both sides are obvious contradictory, one side must be true. We can only base on other factors to determine and it is sad to see that YD or GH have no references at all besides themselves and different parties on the other side somehow come to the same conclusion.
Since GH refused to go or admit, I think this will not end here. More things is coming for sure.
It is also interesting to observe that YD didn't report how many showed up at the press conference, how many other Christian media came besides GH, who rasied the question about the possible legal case, what others questions are being asked during the press conference, there are no photos at all and GH didn't report this right the way on their website as they did to other news including the 525. Aren't these interesting observations?
Then, we must look at how churches (besides the one from China) comment on the YD and GH members who attended their church before, how they behave while they were there; how did GH treat those who are against them (such as Rev. Wang, Rev. Lo, Mrs. Tang, Rev. Wu, Yeungs, Ma Li....), what about the number of hits per month as they reported, what about the way they presented about their financial needs before the Frank Graham meetings (did they ever deal with these issues directly), the way they reported about meetings, such as the meeting they had with Rev. Wang (Rev. Wang has to issue another report right after theirs to clarify), such as the 525 meeting. If we look back far enough, it is also strange how it is found out about their relationship between GH, YD, Olivet University, the different statements made by Peter about his training at Olivet University; and then, their changing of names, their unknown source of income, the misconception of just a group of young people doing a web newspaper (obvious it is not so), the refusal to remove ads which the churches and organizations requested them to do so, the way they dissolved the board of advisors, the false accusation about business competition, all these are not criminal offenses but they did tell us about the credibility about them. I think I have reasons to doubt and same for others.
We are not trying to force a group of young people out of their meaningful ministry, we are not being jealousy of what young people can do. I consider myself a young person too, love to see young people do great things for God and I am happy when others can do great things that I couldn't, I don't have to be jealousy at all.
Keep observing and listening!
毫無新意的原因值得思考一下
耶穌青年會記者會還是像HIN預料過內容差不多一樣做了。他們這樣“明知故犯”肯定是有理由的咯。要么就是他們從來不顧這些輿論，顯然這個有點說不過去，否則幹嘛做記者會。或者其實就是事實就只是這么一點點，所以人家講來講去也就只能是講這些事實么。要是耶穌青年會真的那么“狡猾”，那么幹嘛還做這么毫無新意的記者會呢？所以光講人家沒有道理或者狡猾也是很沒有道理的。
他們重申了這么多次了，不妨我們也不帶有偏見的仔細想一想咯。
Here is their report of the press conference
Here is their report:
耶青記者會 打破外界不實傳言
國內同工到港述說創會經過
By YD Press
自去年起有人於網上散播一私人博客，內容為未經證實之誣蔑本會的謠言，在傳媒不實的報導以及有關人等造謠滋事下，擴大了事件的影響範圍。本會同工雖曾多次嘗試與存有偏見及誤解的人士對話及會面，卻多次遭置諸門外。
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耶穌青年會於五月三十日下午4時至6時半，於灣仔溫莎公爵社會服務大廈203會議室舉行記者招待會，由耶穌青年會同工們針對近日對本會的爭議作出聲明及澄清。出席的成員包括本會國際事工、國內及香港分部的同工。另外亦有本會國內同工暨創會者專程到港，親述耶青從十多人的聚會發展到今天世界校園宣教事工的見證。
自去年起有人於網上散播一私人博客，內容為未經證實之誣蔑本會的謠言，在傳媒不實的報導以及有關人等造謠滋事下，擴大了事件的影響範圍。本會同工雖曾多次嘗試與存有偏見及誤解的人士對話及會面，卻多次遭置諸門外。耶青在此次記者會中已一一澄清及反駁了外界的傳言。
私人博客傳疑惑為肇事根源
有關國內耶青的問題，不少人認為傳聞可信基於「從不同城市不同地方出來互相印證的證據」。針對此等質疑，耶青同工回應：「坊間的傳言如同多米諾效應一樣，在不知情人士看來，這個原本只是存在於少數的人中間的爭論，惡化為現在的公開誹謗事件。」此次事件的策動者為日本山谷真少校，他把捏造的資訊登載在其私人博客中。據悉，山谷真少校涉嫌參與報社之間競爭，竟杜撰張大衛牧師簡歷，對方針對此事承認不諱，卻仍未作出道歉。日本少校企圖利用香港某人，把他的私人博客從去年11月開始翻譯成中文，因而引發華人教會內的一些騷動。歸根究底，事件的策動者就是日本的山谷真少校。
而就合肥事件中出來的<警惕>一文作者對耶青之誤會，耶青同工曾於06年找對方進行談話，然而對方全然迴避教義問題進行辯論。另外，他亦於去年8月來港跟香港同工進行溝通，同工已就他對耶青教義上之疑惑作出澄清，唯其未能接受耶青同工的回答。
此等網絡上杜撰及個人猜測性文章迅速在網上傳到不同國家及城市，因而誤導了不少人，致使在不同地方均出現如同模子打出指責耶青言論。
重申耶穌基督的十字架是完全的得勝
關於十字架
我們從來沒有宣稱也不相信主第一次來是失敗的，他是為了擔當我們的罪而甘心走上十字架的。十字架不是失敗，乃是主耶穌基督在這個世界完全的得勝，通過主耶穌基督在十字架上流出寶血，向我們整個人類彰顯出父神很大饒恕的愛，我們通過祂十字架代贖，蒙 神的恩典，憑著信心接受這愛就白白的稱義。
關於再來
我們不相信「某人就是再來的基督」的論調。對於主的再來，我們堅信的是將來必親自有權柄有榮耀再臨世上，並且我們相信耶穌基督必快再來。
耶青同工續指：「在客西馬尼園的禱告中，我們看到的是主沒有按照人的意思，只尋求 神的旨意，全心順服的走上十字架的道路，我們可以確認一點：主是甘心走上十字架的道路的。同時，裡面有痛苦的眼淚是我們不可以輕看的，因為我們的罪把道成為肉身的主刺傷了。然而，主以難以形容的愛來背負我們所有的問題，所有的罪惡。所以，主是以完全的愛來得勝人類有所的罪惡，十字架分明是徹底的得勝，成就了整個人類的救贖！阿門。」
針對525聚會中，有教牧竟然根據網上傳聞指責耶青相信「十字架是失敗」及「某人是再來的基督」等謬論，耶青沒有教導也不相信此等教導。同時亦強調如有人不接受其信仰告白，而相信「十字架是失敗」及「某人是再來的基督」的話，耶青「絕對不接受這人成為本會的會員」及「絕對抗拒這異端信仰到底的」。
耶青同工指出，把一些我們不相信的教義套在我們身上，這做法是相當有問題的；就算把全世界所有的勢力加起來，都不能強逼我們此等謬論。當我們拿出信仰告白後，有人還是不相信，定意說我們背後還有別的東西，此等行為本不是基督徒當作的，是犯罪的行為。
國內信徒被灌輸本會為統一教之見證
由始至終，指控者所得到的所謂人證物證都從國內獲得。本會有足夠證據顯示，國內不少信徒或前信徒已被灌輸「耶穌青年會是統一教」的謬論。有人在國內自稱是研究異端的專家，然後把印有<警惕>一文的《真假門徒，正異福音》小冊子發給信徒。據說已在大陸發出3,000份，其多米諾效應之大可想而知。
此後，有國內信徒把有關小冊子轉寄給香港耶青，並告訴同工有人曾接觸過他們。通過他們的佐證，很明顯的揭露出來，該小冊子的編輯製作者前往大陸，向內地信徒灌輸耶穌青年會是統一教的謠言，並且教唆他們用統一教的概念來誹謗指控耶青。一封書面的證言和帶有簽名的小冊子被公諸於衆。
創辦人細訴耶青歷史起源
最後，耶青創辦人親身見證了耶青的創會歷史，從十多位大學生的聚會開始，發展至今天世界宣教的運動，一切都是神的恩典。她說：「1999年，我在復旦大學讀大一的時候信主了，由於很想明白聖經，我去參加了很多聚會……我也非常熱心地參與各樣的侍奉，包括跟同學、朋友見證福音，帶領小組等。不過，當時校園裏面基督徒還是挺少的，我有個真切的願望，就是在我身邊有跟我很親近的基督徒姐妹可以和我一同行走天路，所以向神做了這樣的禱告。結果奇妙的事情真的發生了……」神答應了她的禱告，讓他認識到班上的同學，就是今天坐在我旁邊的另一位同工，二人再聚合更多弟兄姊妹在一起。就這樣到2001年，復旦大學和北京大學的10多位學生在北京獻上了創會禮拜，正式成立了國際耶穌青年會。
記者招待會的最後部份設有問答環節，當記者問及有關耶青會否採取進一步的法律行動時，同工指出，直到現在耶青只是通過律師正式地向對耶青作出不正確判斷，以及某些散布謠言誹謗耶青的人發出了正式的告誡信。通過法律措施來保障耶青的信仰不被踐踏，這是被迫於無奈的。若果雙方能在一定公平公正公開的基礎上談話的話，我們當然是更加希望在主裡躺開心門談話；不然，為了維護我們，特別在國內弟兄姊妹的信仰自由，我們也不得不以要在公開，公正，公平的法庭上辯證我們的信仰；而針對誹謗者、傳謠者、進行洗腦者，包括525講員及小冊子製作者等等，本會督促他們儘快道歉，若不回頭，我們只能訴諸于法律的裁判。但一直以來考慮到教會的公共利益，耶穌青年會一直是低調地處理了這次的誹謗事件.
First of all, it is interesting that GH didn't report this. According to the past efficiency of GH, this is really interesting, especially they are so closely connected. GH has been posting many articles for YD's case but didn't post this one from YD, why?
Secondly, they never stated how many people came and who are the other media besides GH. It is a press conference, so how many reporters from other Christian media came, that is very important because that will show the effectiveness of the media. If only GH came, that is almost like an in house meeting. I think there might be other media came, but definitely not many. In the last paragraph, when asked about taking legal action, they didn't specify the reporter who asked is from which media, interesting again!
Look at this paragraph:
此次事件的策動者為日本山谷真少校，他把捏造的資訊登載在其私人博客中。據悉，山谷真少校涉嫌參與報社之間競爭，竟杜撰張大衛牧師簡歷，對方針對此事承認不諱，卻仍未作出道歉。
The wordings and sentence structure are very misleading. Did Yamaya admit that he did all he did because of competition between different Christian newspapers or did he admit that he has wrongly present the bio of David Jang? Either way, he is in a lot of trouble. As we know, the legal case against Yamaya has been on for sometime, if he already admit, then why the case is still on. GH or YD has switched a prosecutor for the case against Yamaya, what happened? If Yamaya has admitted that he has such a wrong motive and such a false presentation, he should be fine by the court and the case is close. Why is it still going on? Just making a statement like that is very misleading.
The rest of the content is just repeating what they claimed in the past which is nothing new except the founder's testimony about how YD is formed in China in 1999. It seems that they tried to dissociate YD in China with David Jang. I think it is worthwhile to look into this to see if David Jang is associated or the founder of YD International.
Publishing and distributing the booklet about YD is a very dangerous act since the written word will become evidence in future possible legal case. I hope the one who wrote it will be careful about this.
I am sure IEC, former advisor, 525 people will respond to this press conference's content at a later time. We can all say what we want but the public need to judge on their own.
Also, I can see that they are disconnecting YD with GH too. GH still have their problems in their integrity and honesty. For a media, this is deadly problems. They can't keep distracting others by directing our focus to other areas. They are actually accumulating more and more facts against them since they refused to ever apologize or correct for their mistakes, their attitude are both arrogant and unacceptable. Indeed, these are strong words but important and crucial.
By the way, love to see some photos of their press conference but none is available as the 525, again, this is interesting! So many interesting things!
開估：答案係「辯解邏輯令人困惑」....點解耶靑記招未有發佈？希望只少有兩三間非張大徫系列的傳媒，如果無就可憐了
開估：答案係「辯解邏輯令人困惑」....點解耶靑記招未有發佈？希望只少有兩三間非張大徫系列的傳媒，如果無就可憐了請問...
小信徒，我未能明白你所說的。To a small believer: can you explain more
Love to hear your viewpoint as how "someone inside the church" echoes the second statement from the church in China.
