《基督日報》網站(www.gospelherald.com.hk)在【社評.評論】位置刊出三篇文章,回應昨午舉行的「基督日報事件獨立調查團」發表的報告,三篇文章分別題為:
一、耶穌青年會發出對於所謂「<基督日報>事件獨立調查團」報告之嚴正聲明
二、基督日報調查風波結束.結果證日報毫無嫌疑
三、本報3月4日發信指調查團變質宣佈解散
相關資訊:【《基督日報》事件專輯】
(www.christiantimes.org.hk,時代論壇每日快拍,2008.4.11)
《基督日報》網站(www.gospelherald.com.hk)在【社評.評論】位置刊出三篇文章,回應昨午舉行的「基督日報事件獨立調查團」發表的報告,三篇文章分別題為:
一、耶穌青年會發出對於所謂「<基督日報>事件獨立調查團」報告之嚴正聲明
二、基督日報調查風波結束.結果證日報毫無嫌疑
三、本報3月4日發信指調查團變質宣佈解散
相關資訊:【《基督日報》事件專輯】
(www.christiantimes.org.hk,時代論壇每日快拍,2008.4.11)
To Anonymous: Please read carefully
You have a good heart but you need to be careful.
I have responded to your comment about Acts 5:38-39 but you posted your message once again in here. I would like to share with you about these verses briefly since you are using the authority of the Bible to stop others.
These two verses are the sayings of Gamaliel regarding the apostles. The people are against the apostles for testifying for Jesus. Bear in mind that this is a record of what Gamaliel said and it doesn't mean that is the instruction from God regarding any disagreements nor has any divine authority.
In the Bible, there are two types of recordings, one is description and one is perscription. For description, it only describes what has been done or said, it can't decide whether we should follow or not based on it's content alone but for perscription, it is something we need to follow such as the commands from God and teachings of Jesus.
For descriptive scriptures, we need to base on other passages to determine whether this is something we need to follow or not.
The apostles asked us to discern and to distinguish truth from falsehood, to know and avoid the false prophets, false teachings, false brothers and false teachings. Look at the writings of Paul, it is not hard to see that he is responding to the false teachings at that time in many of his letters. Can we quote this verse to him and ask him to shut up? (I didn't quote all the verses here, but for those who is willing to read the Bible, it is not hard to discern).
Look at Jesus, he rebuked the Pharisees and their teachings. He didn't leave them alone at all!
Please don't quote the verse about "do not judge" in Matthew 7 because again there is a context for that. If we can't judge, how can we determine the tree by it's fruit in the later half ot the same chapter and in 7:15 when Jesus asked us to watch out for the false prophets, how can we do that and what is Jesus doing in the Sermon on the Mount about all the teachings of the Pharisees and Scribes in the past.
Please, when I said "read carefully" in the title of this response, I meant read the Bible carefully. If you have the truth around your good heart, you can go far.
Also, when you make the judgement about the Japanese major, do you have solid, clear, strong evidences? Did you see him yourself? Did you read those evidences yourself or you just believe in what you read about him? If that is the case, aren't you the same as the others that you are talking about? Now, read Matthew 7:1-5, you might be able to understand more about the meaning of "do not judge".
I still admire your heart for the truth but just want to share a bit with you and those who are reading.
"若是出於人、必要敗壞。若是出於 神、你們就不能敗壞他們"
耶穌青年會的教導是不是真的是「十字架失敗了」? 「新救主降臨」? 怎麼知道證據一定十分充足? 你有沒有看過證據? 所謂的證人你有見過嗎? 證人姓甚名誰? 有沒有與當事團體解決過問題? 什麼是獨立思考呢? 你就相信大牧,不想知道真相嗎?你又怎麼知道大牧的心中是不是也有懼怕 神的心而不敢下什麼定論嗎?作為一位牧師,對於甚囂塵上的流言肯定是有擔憂的,誰都會。可是,真相如何,我們要繼續看下去啊!
我想最重要的是敬畏 神,而不是看人的情面哩!
最後送上一段經文:
現在我勸你們不要管這些人、任憑他們罷。他們所謀的、所行的、若是出於人、必要敗壞。若是出於 神、你們就不能敗壞他們。恐怕你們倒是攻擊 神了。(徒5:38-39)
他們已經說絕對不相信「十字架失敗了」、「新救主降臨」了,為何大家苦苦要逼別人相信呢?即使拿出世上所有的力量來強逼對方,怎麼可以強逼別人去相信自己不相信的東西呢?這不是嚴重的犯罪行為嗎?就這樣放著吧!
意圖去定別人為異端的根據是所謂的“秘密私人文件”,以這非正式的文件為根據,在這爭戰當中不是一直輸給耶穌青年會了嗎?在日本也是,雖然被起訴的人100%認為對方是異端,甚至認為是引起風暴的,但是那人不是被救世軍所否認除名嗎?這不是簡單的問題,這乃是侵犯信仰自由和良心的可怕行為,這真的可能成為全世界基督教的笑柄!
基督日報設立了論壇討論這事
http://www.gospelherald.com.hk/forum/viewforum.php?f=2I hope they can last
The investigation committee should have known what GH will do after they launched the investigation and after GH protested against their investigation.
They should be well prepare (I hope) what is coming after their meeting on April 10th.
I hope they will and can finish for what they have started well.
As we can see, GH is not just a group of zealous young people who are committed to report news. The way they handled this, the ability that they have shown should have told us a lot about their network and their capability.
第五篇
4月14日他們出了第五篇文章談及此事。回應
昨天,該文的確沒有出現在社評那欄裡,現在我去看,卻在那裡。為何抽起,不知道了。(不是因為看到我在這裡說吧?)應該有四篇文章
謝謝張國棟兄的補充。我在香港《基督日報》網頁裡社論/專欄內看到「第四篇文章」,不知道此文是否曾遭抽起。若「抽起」之事屬實,而有關方面又沒為此作出解釋,則我很懷疑此舉(及放回該文於社評內)背後有何動機。《基督日報》及耶穌青年會應否以調查報告的內容來證明自己被誣衊
既然香港《基督日報》曾在其社論斷言:
香港《基督日報》 (下稱「日報」)及耶穌青年會(下稱「YD」)重要負責人指出,有證據表明,於去年12月成立的「《基督日報》事件獨立調查團」(下稱「調查團」)及其即將發表的報告書嚴重缺乏公信力。(《基督日報》網頁內〈編者的話〉,貼於2008-04-10 03:02 )
他們應否於調查報告發表後接納調查團的初步報告,以此斷言「針對《基督日報》的疑團都已經根本性地解開。為澄清《基督日報》嫌疑事件的調查團可謂是功成身退。」(第四段)?
當《基督日報》訴說自己「......無辜承受的名譽損毀,造成很多事工運作上的不便,究竟誰應負上責任?《基督日報》理應得到有關指控人士的一個交代和道歉。」(第五段),他們是否應當向調查團作出「一個交代和道歉」,以致可以心安理得地用人家的報告內容來證明自己清白?
抑或調查團的初步報告,正是《基督日報》社論所宣稱「嚴重缺乏公信力」?
補充
原來第四篇在「社論‧評論」是找不到的,我用了另一方法查閱,所以才看見。但該文的time stamp 卻是很新近的: 2008-04-10 03:02 Posted.
《基督日報》事件獨立調查團嚴重缺乏公信力
香港《基督日報》 (下稱「日報」)及耶穌青年會(下稱「YD」)重要負責人指出,有證據表明,於去年12月成立的「《基督日 報》事件獨立調查團」(下稱「調查團」)及其即將發表的報告書嚴重缺乏公信力。
據悉,目前該調查團已完成調查報告,並表示將於日內發佈。就此《基督日報》已向眾教會發出信件,呼籲三思, 勿受偏離事實的報告之影響。
調查團「失控」 拒正視問題
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調查團曾改組 某牧師消失於名單中後暗有行動
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容许控方證人出席決定性內部會議 調查團中立性蕩然無存
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疑點重重
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日報認為疑點重重,促請調查團或眼睛雪亮的觀眾清查當中的利害關係。並就以上種種問題,日報及YD已於3月 3日向該調查團召集人提出質疑不滿,並在3月4 日以書面形式向調查團提出強烈抗議,表明在意圖謀害日報及YD的勢力滲入後,調查委員會已嚴重失控及偏離, 並宣佈了不接受被操控後的調查團。
日報亦於4月9日去信各教會,促請正視調查過程中的不公正調查手法,呼籲別輕信偏離及失去中立性的調查團, 更不鼓勵弟兄姊妹出席調查團的發佈會,以免助長不實報告資訊的迅速散播,危害基督的身體。
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