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To因信稱義:Amen
The success of an outreach meeting is not the number of people attended nor the number of people walked to the front but whether the message is Biblical or not.
The worst thing one can do to a person is to tell him that he is a Christian but in fact he is not. When we dilute the truth, it is not a diluted truth but it is not truth at all.
Jesus and the apostle Paul never tried to preach a message that is welcomed by the people but they preached the truth. We should never preached a message that is acceptable to the people but not to God.
We should be creative since our God is the creator God but we can't change the nature of the Gospel and the message of the cross. There are things that we can change, just like the worship place of the Israelites can be changed from an altar to a tabernacle and then to the holy temple but we can't worship other gods.
The article is good and I will forward this to my friends.
Thank you.
慎防變質的福音
慎防變質的福音
傳福音是主給教會及信徒一個極大的使命。我相信每一個真正得救的人都不會否認這件事。正因如此，許多教會舉辦各式各樣的佈道聚會，個別信徒又用許多不同的佈道方法叫人信主。這本來是一件極好的事。然而，在這個被人文主義、個人自由主義充斥著的社會中，我們很容易落在一個危機中，就是我們會不知不覺用人的思想及方法去作神的工作，而不是按聖經指定的內容及方法去作。我們許多人都不以為然，以為只要有果效，這必然是神所喜悅的事奉了。在以開佈道會為例，許多人以為只要主辦單位能吸引多人來參加，只要講道的人能吸引聽眾的注意及惹起他們的興趣，只要他有本事號召多人走到台前認信耶穌，這就是一個成功的福音聚會，至於信息內容及講道方法有沒有聖經根據及榜樣支持，根本毫不重要。然而，這想法是對的嗎？
許多人以為神只吩付我們去作祂的工，至於作工的內容及方法，則我們可以自由決定，不需要凡事有聖經根據及榜樣支持才去作。換句話說，神容讓人在敬拜及事奉上「自由發揮」，只要不是聖經明文禁止便可以了。這樣的思想心態現今在基督教圈子中非常普遍，差不多變成金科玉律，沒有人敢質疑。然而這是否神的意思？我的答覆是：絕不！神不錯是讓我們在生活的事情上按自己的意思及喜好去選擇(當然這些事情都要在聖經的原則下進行)，但在敬拜及事奉上神卻要我們根據聖經明訓及榜樣作，沒有聖經明訓及榜樣為根據的 敬拜及事奉活動就是「私意崇拜」及「凡火事奉」。清教徒稱這原則為「敬拜的規範性原則」。 這原則主要說明神不要人意私意的敬拜，乃是要祂自己心意的敬拜。神的心意如何得知呢？是聖經中找出來的。聖經就是我們信徒在敬拜及事奉上的唯一指南及根據。但現今信徒的問題就是，他們的敬拜事奉的內容明明沒有聖經明訓及榜樣支持，他們仍然認為他們所作的必定是神的心意。何以見得呢？其實都是他們一廂情願的想法(許多異端極端都以為他們所作是神心意的心意)，沒法用聖經引證，何等危險！
保羅在帖前2:4教導信徒說：「但神既然驗中了我們，把福音託付我們，我們就『照樣講』，不是要討人喜歡，乃是要討那察驗我們心的神喜歡。」這裏清楚指出我們傳福音時要「照樣講」，「不是要討人喜歡」，明顯表示傳福音是有特定的內容及方式， 是「照樣」講，不是「隨意」講，保羅吩咐當時的門徒不可這樣。我們講福音，不是用自己喜好的方式，挑選自己喜好的內容，去講些討人喜歡的話，而是「照樣講」。然而，他們振振有詞地引用林前10:22來支持他們的做法：「向甚麼樣的人，我就作甚麼樣的人；無論如何，總要救些人」。但保羅這裏不是指我們為了傳福音，就有權作神所不喜悅、與祂旨意有衝突的事。保羅主要是指一些中性的事(包括一些傳統及習慣)，我們可以甚至應該順服及放下自己，為要得著在這些事以下的人。相反，神的心意很清楚要求我們「不要效法世界」(世界的潮流風氣)，我們就絕對不可以為了多吸引人來聚會，而不斷地採用世界的方法來作工，降低教會分別為聖的標準。這毫無疑問就是保羅 在帖前2:4指出的「討人喜歡」的罪。
有些人雖不完全贊同以上的人的傳福音方法，卻也不願公開去反對，因為他們認為這是腓1:17-18的教導：「那一等傳基督，是出於結黨，並不誠實，意思要加增我捆鎖的苦楚。這有何妨呢？或是假意，或是真心，無論怎樣，基督究竟被傳開了。為此我就歡喜，並且還要歡喜。」然而，這樣引用聖經是不對的。第一，這節經文沒有說那些假意傳福音的人是對的，更加沒有鼓勵人這樣做。若他們的心態不對，他們將來一樣要受神的審判。第二，保羅說他不介意那些人假意傳福音，因為他們也是傳主的福音。動機是不對，但福音內容仍是對的。這個保羅可以接受。但若然他們所傳的不是純正的福音，而是「別的福音」，保羅的態度就絕不會這樣容忍，而是憤然地咒詛(加1:8)。現在我們看看現今流行的「搞笑佈道會」所傳之福音是否純正的福音。
一、妄稱主的名
「不可妄稱耶和華你神的名，因為妄稱耶和華名的，耶和華必不以他為無罪。」(出20:7)。十誡的第三誡清楚指明我們不能妄稱神的名。新約中耶穌基督的名與耶和華的名一樣尊貴崇高：「所以，神將他升為至高，又賜給他那超乎萬名之上的名，叫一切在天上的，地上的，和地底下的，因耶穌的名，無不屈膝，無不口稱耶穌基督為主，使榮耀歸與父神。」(腓2:9-11)但現在竟然有傳道人公然改神的花名，任意將神的名俗化了。他們藉口說這樣稱呼神只是表示親切吧了。但表示親切是一回事，將神的名俗化的另一回事，我不能為了表示親切就隨意改我朋友的花名，我更不敢妄稱上司或長輩的花名，更遑論我們這位萬王之王，萬主之主！這樣一方面妄稱主的名，一方面又說是事奉神，這真是矛盾至極的事！神喜悅這樣的事奉嗎？
二、缺少悔改信息
「那時，有施洗的約翰出來，在猶太的曠野傳道，說：『天國近了、你們應當悔改。』」(太3:1-2)；「從那時候耶穌就傳起道來，說：『天國近了、你們應當悔改。』」(太4:17)；「彼得說：『你們各人要悔改、奉耶穌基督的名受洗、叫你們的罪得赦、就必領受所賜的聖靈。』」(徒2:38)施洗約翰傳道時叫人悔改，主耶穌傳道時又叫人悔改，使徒在主升天後傳道也叫人悔改，怎麼今日的傳道者這麼少叫人悔改？不叫人悔改的是甚麼福音？可能他們會說他們也有提及過悔改這事，但這說法就叫人驚奇了。請問不指出人的罪怎麼叫人悔改？他們到底是為了甚麼而悔改？不是為罪悔改嗎？或許他們堅持他們也不是完全沒有提及罪。但為甚麼當提到有關罪的時候，聽眾的反應往往是笑而不是哭呢？豈不知傳道者指出人的罪目的是讓聖靈「叫世人為罪、為公義、為審判，『自己責備自己』？今日傳道者拼命講笑話來吸引人信主，就是鮮有說及罪之時也是輕輕鬆鬆地說，目的是令人捧腹大笑，這絕對不是聖靈的工作，充其量只是人意情緒的活動，因為聽眾沒有「為罪自己責備自己」的心，這不可能引致真正的悔改。沒有真正的悔改，人就不能真正地信主得救。不著重悔改信息的講道不是整全的福音。
三、沒有叫人交出主權
「主耶穌」一詞成為基督徒的口頭禪。許多人沒有意會到，當你說「主耶穌」這個名稱時，你是在承認耶穌是主。耶穌是主，相信沒有基督徒會反對，這是大家公認的真理。但竟然有人主張在傳福音時，只強調主是救主，即是說你只需信耶穌能夠拯你的靈魂，你便得救。至於接受耶穌作主人及交出自己的主權，這事不需要在你信主時決定，因為這與救恩無關的。這樣的想法現今相當普遍。但這想法是非常錯誤的，耶穌基督既是救主，同時又是生命之主，兩者絕對不能分割的。一個人沒有可能單單接受基督為救主，卻拒絕交出主權讓祂作生命的主，而妄想自己是得救的。沒有這樣理想的事。神沒有給你權柄將基督的職任硬生生地分割。「你若口裏認耶穌為『主』，心裏信神叫他從死裏復活，就必得救。」(羅10:9)；「當信『主』耶穌，你和你一家都必得救。」(徒16:31)今天許多佈道會(尤其是那些搞笑的佈道會)，絕少叫人交出主權及認耶穌為生命之主，何解？答案很明顯，豈不又是要討人喜歡？只強調有位神很愛你，很願意救你及幫助你解決各種各樣的問題，這些都是很多人喜歡聽的道理。但當你一要求他們決絕地離開他們所愛的罪惡，甚至要連自己的主權也要交出來，這樣去信耶穌，這些人就不喜歡聽了，甚至會反感起來。為免這些人流失，不再來聚會，傳道者在講道時就開始避重就輕，務求令每一個聽眾都聽得舒服。他們就這樣一而再再而三干犯帖前2:4所指討人喜歡的罪，奈何他們到現今都不發覺！
四、只強調信主的好處及容易
信主當然有許多好處，而且是極大極榮耀的好處，因為是神所賜予的。最大的好處莫過基督的救恩，因為這是基督在十字架上為我們買贖回來的。這些恩典是因信白白賜給我們的。然而，聖經也清清楚楚地告訴我們，我們進入神的國是有許多艱難的(徒14:22)，是要努力進入的(太11:12-13)，所以要我們預先計算跟隨主的代價。「耶穌又對眾人說：『若有人要跟從我，就當捨己，天天背起他的十字架來跟從我。』」(路9:23)；「凡不背著自己十字架跟從我的，也不能作我的門徒。」(路14:27)神沒有瞞騙你，先叫你輕輕率率的信，信了之後才告訴你做基督徒的代價及難處。主耶穌在地上傳道時絕對沒有叫人先信後計算代價這回事。有人企圖把信徒及門徒分別出來，說主耶穌只要求已信主的人付代價跟從祂，叫他們作門徒，不是叫每一個人這樣作。單單信主的人只是普通信徒，願意跟從主的人才稱為門徒。這樣將信徒及門徒分開，並將神對這所謂的兩類人之要求分開，是完全沒有聖經根據。讓我們看看聖經怎樣說。「於是領受他話的人，就受了洗。那一天，門徒約添了三千人。」(徒2:41)那些聽眾一信主受洗，當天已經是門徒了。「對那城裏的人傳了福音，使好些人作門徒。」(徒14:21)那些接受福音的人都是直接被稱為門徒的。「門徒稱為基督徒、是從安提阿起首。」(徒11:26)門徒是基督徒，信徒也是基督徒，門徒與信徒有甚麼分別？門徒及信徒根本是同義詞。就是按一般的情理說，若有基督徒說他只信主，但他沒有意圖跟從祂，這豈不是很矛盾及怪異(起碼在感覺上)的事情嗎？由此可見，信徒就是門徒，門徒就是信徒，兩者根本是一樣的，所以神對他們的要求也是一樣的。可惜，現今的所謂傳福音，傳道的人只強調信福音的好處，信福音的容易，卻很少提及信福音的代價，信福音的難處。他們的理念是，先叫人作「信徒」，然後才慢慢告訴他們作「門徒」的困難及代價。他們願意信，就可以立即信，一切在信了之後才說。這樣做無疑能使舉手「決志」的人數倍增，因為實在沒有太大難度，但這樣做有沒有聖經根據？這是主耶穌傳道時的榜樣嗎？再者，這些「決志者」是真信主的嗎？從決志之後再有到教會聚會的人數比率看，便可以略知一二了。
以上提出的種種原因，清楚指明這些「搞笑佈道會」所傳的福音，根本不是整全的福音，是不合神心意的，所以我們不應該支持及參與。
最後讓我多說一點話。我知道不少人因見這些佈道會也有一些果效，也能領到一些人信主，所以儘管他們對這種傳福音的方式有保留，也願去反對。但聽這樣「福音」而「信主」的人，究竟有多少個在信仰上站得著腳的？我們只看見大型佈道會的人山人海，呼召是有多少人舉手決志，多少人走到台前，但有沒有人統計過，舉手決志或走上台前的人，有多少個以後會穩定到教會聚會？舉手的決志的人多，真正信主的人少，這是公認的事實，但為什麼沒有人查根究底？真正的原因豈不是佈道會中傳道人傳的「福音」有問題？有傳道人認為，今日教會之所以這麼軟弱，出現這麼多內部問題，作出種種與世為友及犧牲真理的事，最大原因就是教會中充滿著許多有名無實的假信徒。這些自以為信主，其實不是真信的人是如何來的呢？就是參加那些傳不純正福音的聚會而「決志」的人來的。退一步說，就算有些人在那些聚會中真正得救，他們很可能被帶返舉辨那些聚會的世俗化及聖經教導貧乏的教會接受餵養，結果就是產生了一大班信仰根基不穩的世俗化基督徒。其實，神已經一早定了得救的人數，我們根本不需要自作聰明，自作主張地用一些神不喜悅的方法，企圖令「更多人」信主。若果我傳一個純正的福音，只有很少人信主，但傳一個妥協變質的福音，有成千上萬的人表示「信」，我們也不為所動。不是我們不想更多人信主，而是添滿得救人數是神的責任，傳純正的福音是我們的責任。我們的責任與神的責任要分得清清楚楚，不能逾越。我們要作忠心的僕人，作工多的未必能得主人稱讚，因為作得不合主人心意；惟有遵照主人吩咐而作的僕人才得主人的喜悅。
願神在這個黑暗的世代興起一群忠心勇敢傳講純正福音的僕人，單單討神的喜悅，不討人的喜悅，只重視神的見證，不求人意的果效，阿們。
To Little Thing: Indeed we should
It is good to have reactions and feelings and comments toward things or people, that means at least we pay attention to them or have concerns for them. Anyone who made comments will be commented upon by others regarding their comments, that is only natural.
Good and constructive comments sometimes can act as a checking agent, just keeping each other on the right track. Of course, we will make bad comments or comments that might lead others into some misunderstanding. We shouldn't avoid commenting because we might make mistakes. Did we make mistake in our ministry, indeed we did, does that mean we should stop serving, no way, but rather, we should learn from our mistakes and move on. The motivation is important, we are not trying to take others down but to watch over each other's shoulder.
Rev. Lam is gifted in many ways but it doesn't mean he is perfect, same as you and me, no one is perfect.
There is a Chinese saying: 有則改之,無則勉之. I think Rev. Lam is smart enough to know about this.
to Hin
Thank you for your response.
Let's try hard to serve God within His bottom line.
To Little Thing: a small correction
First of all, I don't quite like 吳主光 myself, I never served with him and I never invited him to serve with me and I don't I would like to. On the other hand, I like 楊牧谷 a lot more. I appreciate his boldness and sharpness, he is great. So, 吳主光 is not my beloved one!
Well, I do agreed that we should be more creative and don't stick to the tradition. We are way behind compare to many secular business. We need to hold on to our traditional faith but not to the traditional channels and methods. But being creative should have it's guideline and boundaries too.
In my first comment, I am just saying that Rev. Enoch Lam and his associates must believe what they are doing is right. In my second comment, as you said, I am just repeating the article and point out what I perceived from Rev. Arnold Yeung.
We should be free but there aren't absolute freedom; we should be creative but there aren't absolute creativity.
Re: Hin
Thank you for repeating the whole article once again.
I do agree that there's no Rev. God. Not even your beloved 吳主光.
I think we should not strictly follow every tradition deadly, especially those developed in western churchs. Otherwise, we only put loads on people.
I don't think 吳主光 can make even one people to believe in God, no matter how logical and sweet his preachings are. This applied to every Christians / pastors / ministries. because Holy spirit is the key, and men are only supplementary.
Thank you.
What are the main points in Rev. Yeung's article?
I have read this article when it is out. I believe Enoch Lam and ME are both very thankful for Rev. Yeung's comment because it seems that he is speaking up for them and in a very objective way.
In 11 paragraphs of the article, what is Rev. Yeung trying to say?
From 1st to 3rd paragraphs, he was presenting his background for going to the show.
In the 4th paragraph, he is sad to see the church is not growing up and still act as 老小人. There were many criticisms against the show during that time and many of them were of poor quality, 人云亦云. Commenting that the church is not growing up doesn't mean the show is proper. Even Rev. Yeung think that the show is proper, there were reasons which were stated below in the following paragraphs.
In the 5th and 6th paragraphs, Rev. Yeung said that Enoch Lam didn't show any disrespect when he mentioned about Jesus' death and then mentioned about a bad experience in his life. First of all, the bad experience has nothing to do with the show and it can't be used to justify the show at all. Secondly, it is not just stop the smiling face when you talked about Jesus will show your respect to God. After hearing all the criticisms, being a smart person, knowing that people are watching for his mistakes (just like Rev. Yeung going to the show to see if Enoch Lam is OK), he better stop his smiling face at the right times.
In paragraph 7, Rev. Yeung pointed out 3 important guidelines for editors and concluded that those who wrote or said things against the show didn't fulfill those 3 points. What is the "whole" story? What is the "complete" background? What is the "real" trend? I respect and admire Rev. Yeung is someone who can do a nice job in those three areas but there is only one Rev. Yeung. If everyone need to fulfill that before they can comment on any issue, then there won't be any critics or even reporting. They can only do what they could based on what they know. I have to admit that some comments are very subjective and as Rev. Yeung said 望文生義. When a reporter report on a news about someone killed his mother, if the report is poorly written, it can't justify the action of the person.
In paragraphs 7 to 9, Rev. Yeung pointed out the importance of having a message and the message must be a timely one. It seems that Rev. Yeung is commenting Enoch Lam in providing a timely message but then he said that for the night that he went, he is disappointed in the message. After that, he said they have improved and it was reflected in the number of decision making. First of all, there are many ways that we can get decisions. Numbers can't reflect the quality of the message. Secondly, the overall impression from the public is that it is fun more than anything else. You may tried to put some solid message into the show to make it more Christian or spiritual but the "fun" element is so strong that it has overshadowed everything else. Thirdly, I don't think what ME delivered is a timely message but a different packaging. By using one controversial term won't make the message timely and since the term can only be relevant to a very small group of people, in a general meeting like that, I don't think it is appropriate at all. When Rev. Yeung asked whether Christian workers know what is the timely message, I would like to ask did they know who is the audience? Being bold enough to go against the tradition can't be the base to justify the action. Being courageous and creative doesn't mean right at all.
In the last paragraph, Rev. Yeung warned ME to pay attention to the message. ME has been very good in packaging, promotion and generating numbers. Is there message in their programs and products? I won't say no but the proportion between message and packaging is too far apart.
If we know the character of Rev. Yeung, this article is not a surprise but bear in mind, his name is Rev. Arnold Yeung and not Rev. God. It is his opinion, same as the other article by 吳主光.
comment by another pastor
Rev. Yeung
This kind of show will be here
As long as there are people who like this kind of show, it will go on for many many years.
In the same way, there are many unbiblical things going on today inside and outside of the church, we can't stop them but we can stay away from them and also we are responsible to help others to stay away from them.
We shouldn't just 無眼睇 but we should also 用口講, 用手寫. As we know, this kind of things will get worse and worse but we should do our part to slow down the process and to keep more people away from it.
Will Enoch Lam and his associates and supporters see the problem? I don't think so because they can't do things against their conscience. Therefore, they must first convince themselves and then to do what they think or "believe" is right. I think they still have a conscience, but it has been twisted.
十字架的道理何在?
十字架是叫人向世界死,向神活.這不談不上是佈道會,只是做show而已.
一種消費的娛樂商品.There will be true believers
There will be people truly accepting Christ in this kind of meetings too. Even if they didn't hear one sentence from Enoch Lam but when he gives the calling, when he ask is there anyone who would like to accept Christ, there will be people who will respond to the calling not because of what he or she heard during the meeting but before the meeting.
I will not justify the meeting or such kind of action based on whether there will be people believing in Christ or not.
I am sad to see people like 陳耀南 and鄧萃雯 being used by him. It is really sad, where is the discernment ability of these people.
Pastors must wake up and stop building up this kind of unacceptable events.
As the Bible said there will be things that will cause others to stumble but don't be the one who are the cause. Indeed, there will be unlawful things happening before the end time, but don't be the one who do them.
Wake up,please!
吳主光speaks up please!
吳主光always speaks up against things that are not right. In his article, he spoke against Rev. Enoch Lam's style of insulting God's name and I would encourage him to speak up against the way ME is using his booklet to support their moive "The Days of Noah".
Where is he now? Did he know what is happening?
我也不喜歡這種聚會.比看那套看不見"挪亞方舟"的電影更不知所謂!
這些聚會根本不能叫人知罪悔改.一位牧師對"楝篤笑佈道會"的看法
http://www.hkpec.org/tst/pastersharing/031026pastorsharing.htm
