影音使團攝製的《挪亞方舟驚世啟示》將於五月六日起在台灣公映，兩場電影試映會已於四月廿七在台北的總統戲院及中壢的威尼斯影城舉行，台北一場有不少青少年學生出席，中壢一場則吸引了一百三十多位教牧同工到場欣賞。另外兩場試映會將於台中的日新戲院及高雄的環球影城舉行。
於五月六日起公映《挪亞方舟驚世啟示》的台灣戲院包括台北的總統戲院、長春戲院、百老匯戲院、中壢的威尼斯影城、台中的日新戲院、高雄的環球影城、宜蘭的友愛影城。
（www.christiantimes.org.hk，時代論壇每日快拍，2005.4.29）
回Hin
We are all doing what we think we should. I don't know how long this page will be open to us but as long as you have articles, keep them coming. If this page is out, send it to Silver Fox or 貓姐since they have an e-mail address that is available.
<=ＯＫ，但我不知道貓姐是否同意，你最好先徵得她的同意。但收到文章後，都要想辦法安置，其實我認為，以利達那個網還是無辦法中的辦法。
Once again, if we believe what we said and did are right, we should make them known to the public. Give me time to ask my lawyer and then we move from there.
＜＝律師？你的意思是？
To 車朗生 and others:Keep the articles coming
We are all doing what we think we should. I don't know how long this page will be open to us but as long as you have articles, keep them coming. If this page is out, send it to Silver Fox or 貓姐since they have an e-mail address that is available.
Once again, if we believe what we said and did are right, we should make them known to the public. Give me time to ask my lawyer and then we move from there.
Once again, I am (we are) not against ministry and serving God and reaching out to people but we would like to see things are accurate and reliable, we would like to see integrity and honesty.
Once again, I am (we are) not against any one or organization, we appreciate any effort being put into the ministry. Good intention is noted but good intention is not everything. We have heard about 慈母多敗兒, there is a reason for it. When we love, we must love in truth; when we serve, we must do the same.
I sincerely hope that we are here not just for the sake of releasing our frustration nor expressing our opinion for the sake of expressing. I can see the deep conviction and great insights so far. Let's do it in a way that can make our efforts yield the best results.
問題是 : "誰參與" ?
建方舟公園沒有什麼問題, 但是問題在於 "誰參與" ? 參與者有沒有能力勝任呢 ? 被一些沒有能力勝任的機構負責, 這不是榮耀主, 而是一個禍患. 一個影響深遠的災難.
噢, 不算什麼 "大作". 待我們收集完資料之後再把它登出來.....不過不知道有什麼途徑可以登出來 ? 我是用手寫版的, 所以速度甚慢......
Nothing wrong with the theme park
I think it is absolutely OK to build a theme park based on the Bible, as a matter of fact, that is an excellent idea.
I think what many of us concern is about the one in Hong Kong. If ME put their materials in it, we are afraid that that will do more damage than contribution, but I think they will put more other's materials on it and then mix a little bit of theirs. They will present all the findings in the past and talk about the flooding etc.
If someone can compose a 10 pages summary of the problems with the movie and send it to me, I can send it to all churches for their reference before the movie land in North America.
Once again, I think the problem with ME is not only this movie and that is why a website and forum need to be set up for this purpose so that people won't think that we are 逢ME必反.
英國又起方舟公園?
世界瞭望---英計劃建挪亞方舟主題公園回車朗生
是的，現在的情況比我最初估計的還要壞，不單單是中國內地和香港，而且似乎是「中港台、美加澳」，但令人吃驚的是，當地的教牧似乎照樣受落，現在，我們好似魯迅寫「狂人日記」一樣，不知道誰是狂人．．．．
你會否考慮投稿到時代論壇的印刷版或是網上版？
誠心等待你的大作，筆者亦會留意有關的資料，希望早日有教牧同工回應。
回銀狐:小說起碼有三十個有問題的地方
是的, 我看了小說, 又給了朋友看. 我們發現超過三十個有問題的地方. 包括銀狐兄之前所提及的地方. 有些問題是修詞方面差劣以致意義不明, 有的是近乎迷信的靈幻, 有的更完全是個人推測, 完全缺乏考證, 反覆的測試與試驗, 影音小說的所謂 "考古", 所謂 "科學家", "學者" 的言論, 除了膚淺我不知要說什麼. 雖然我們不可能要求影音做到 Scientific American 或是 Discovery 那個水平. 但是, 影音不要創作一本 "基督教大迷信" 吧 ! 我會嘗試把三十個有問題的地方逐一列出, 供大家參考.
我相信, 影音美國之行, 主要目的是交代與再一次籌款. 有一些基督徒已經收到他們有關馬灣公園的籌款信......要錢......
事態越來越嚴重.......
回車朗生
上個留言是我寫的，抱歉一時手快！你看了小說？
你覺得書中還有什麼問題嗎？
上次的文章，因為篇幅所限，小說裡還有很多問題未能論及，小說基本上是按著電影而寫的，也是影音的作品。
Where are the watchman?
In the book of Ezekiel, God is telling Ezekiel that he has set him up as a watchman for the house of Israel. God said that he is responsible to warn the people of their evil deeds. If they don't listen, it is their responsibility but if Ezekiel didn't warn them, then it is his responsibility.
I greatly appreciate what everyone has been saying and writing so far about ME but that is not enough. In order to make a message known, it must be heard. The Christian public (or even pastors) is responding positive to the movie or the past Media's projects because of ignorance and lack of discerning ability.
God has given certain people the gift of wisdom and knowledge, we must then use the gift to teach others.
For those who see the problems must continue to make their points known here as well as somewhere else, use as many channels as possible.
In order to make this effective, loose comments are not good enough. ME is an organization who has organized projects, in order to deal with them, actions must be organized too. If not, not only the ME won't care about all the comments, but the public will not care too.
We are not trying to bring down a brother or an organiztion, we just want to be the watchman for God.
The Pharizees' beginning is a very noble beginning but as they drift away from their original intention and begin to add more and more of their own ideas, they became the group that Jesus disliked the most. How sad it is?
People enjoy popular things and that is what ME has been "selling" all the time. There is nothing wrong being popular, but what is the content? That is the question.
If we believe what we said is true, that make it known to others. There is no good for a lamp to put under the table, that is the teaching of Jesus. Let us shine!
How can one believe if he or she hasn't heard the message? A message must be heard in order to ask for a response.
我們是否助長了一個假教師 ?
從影音使團 (下稱影音) 宣佈上映挪亞方舟驚世啟示 (下稱方舟) 以來, 網上就有很大的回響. 但是回響的聲音絕大部份都來自一般信徒, 我們很少會聽到神學院的教授, 教會的長執, 或是其他機構的負責人評論此影片. 雖然影音說有牧者, 神學院講師, 和一些專業人士評論方舟電影, 但是絕大部份的評論都是從影音的網站上看到, 內容幾乎是一面倒支持影音的製作. 反對方舟影片, 或影音的聲音大多是從時代論壇中的用戶的討論中看到.
我實在摸不著頭腦, 為什麼一個甚有影響力的媒體 - 電影, 其內容有相當多可疑的地方, 卻沒有一些基督徒專業人士, 教會的負責人公開出來指證影音的宣傳手法, 電影內容的種種不是. 更甚者是影音即將會參與馬灣的主題公園的建設. 以影音其膚淺的知識層次, 絕不嚴謹的治學精神, 大有問題的道德操守, 和混亂的公司管理與資金運用的表現上, 居然沒有人阻止影音繼續參與一個會影響千萬人的計畫, 更甚者的是影音的方舟電影錯漏百出, 穿鑿附會之內容, 實有辱主名之嫌. 筆者在美國從網上得知方舟電影的消息, 但未曾觀看此片. 可是影音近日來美宣傳此片, 而筆者亦從朋友身上買到方舟電影小說. 一看之下, 實為一本 "胡址" 的書. 這套電影和這本小說, 實在給予筆者一種近乎 "大迷信" 的感覺.
究竟出了什麼問題 ?
有一部份美國的基督徒已經收到了他們的籌款信了......
回海尼夫
不是耶～
他們於台灣的宣傳短片，也是用「挪亞方舟 驚世啟示」
有沒有人知道台灣，有那些定位開明、容納非主流意見的基督教網上或傳媒論壇嗎？
Thank You以利達
Your point is important.
If it is only for releasing our frustrations, we have already achieved that; but if we want to contribute something to the Christian ministry, I think we all need to walk the extra mile.
I encourage all of us who are concern about this begin to do some research and collect those information and articles both from ME and about ME.
I think it is better to have our own website and promote this specific website. You need a traget if you want to hit something, you can' put your target among many other targets.
Keep the materials, I will see if a website will be up soon. It is also necessary to get some legal opinion on this before we begin. Is there anyone who can do this legal part?
Before we are clear about the legal part, collect information.
What happen to the open letter of 貓姐?
給hin 及關心此事的弟兄姊妹
各位個多月來不為名不為利只想基教做一個傳講"事實"的宗教，不作"假大空"的事。
這一點看來也是大家共用的信念，但各位的文章的聯結開始斷開，後來者也較難查到了。
如果大家不介意，可以去以下基督教留言版集合/整理一下大家的意見。雖然大家不一定是自由派的, 只要在個人profile 聲明就是了,那兒的弟兄姊妹對於教內議題討論很開明的，願意成為"全香港最開放開自由的基督教討論區". 所以可以暫時存檔在那邊.
http://www.armbell.com/forum/index.php?mforum=liberalhk&sid=623dc4d351f654d719db8adcfae0ec5c
平安
你的弟兄 以利達 上
同意以利達: The Christian Titantic
I fully agreed but is there anyone out there who can and will do it.
I think it is an important step. The reason that ME didn't care what others wrote about their ministry because they are only loose opinions. The reason that Christians didn't pay too much attention to ME because they can't follow their track record and it is hard to make any sound judgement by one incident or one event.
If someone is going to creat a website, I think it is not just the movie "The Days of Noah" but also the past problems with ME including their finance.
I wish someone will take the lead and everybody else contribute.
ME will continue to expand and influence the Christian world in a very significant way, if there are people like us who felt that something is wrong, we are then responsible to do something effective and not just do something.
Any media is very powerful but when they became irresponsible, then things should be done to prevent it going any further.
I trusted that we all realize most readers can't see what we saw, why? because what they are seeing is only the tip of an iceberg, how can they sound the alarm? This is like the Christian Titanic, they thought they won't sink, the passengers thought they are safe, it is like a different kind of "The Days of Noah", people just didn't realize what is coming and then suddenly it will come.
Please consider to join VC FILMFEST next year (2006)
There is a film festival at Los Angeles:給海尼夫兄/姊
如果有弟兄姊妹仗義出手，願意將過去就方舟討論的文章(包括閣下的、銀狐君的和虞姊妹的)整理一下放在一個網站發表，再將該網站的聯結放上台灣各大基督教討論區和影評欄內。相信會對入場者是一個不錯的指引。
這也是 港-台弟兄姊妹首度網上大型交流呢~ (也可以讓台灣的弟兄姊妹post 當地的牧師/神學院講師對此片的意見，和post 他們的對此片的感想)
這將會是"方舟"一片的大型資料庫呢~
方舟在台灣叫...
挪亞方舟─聖經的啟示。無左「驚世」，後果可能沒有那麼驚世，講員由聖經出發，無讓人懷著錯誤印像入場。但願台灣教會都關注胡連之會面，少一些人去看吧。
