【時代論壇訊】首部華人拍攝的大型紀錄片式電影《挪亞方舟驚世啟示》復活節期間上畫首週創下二百二十萬元票房佳績，錄得約五萬進場人次；影音使團網站表示上述數字打破了本土紀錄片的的票房紀錄。
此外，由關心妍主唱的《挪亞方舟驚世啟示》電影歌曲〈挪亞方舟〉及由梁奕倫主唱的〈偶然遇上的驚喜〉，於四月二日分別登上香港電台「中文歌曲龍虎榜」第二十位及十九位；而〈挪亞方舟〉亦同時登上新城娛樂台On-Line點唱榜的第九位。
（http://www.christiantimes.org.hk/，時代快拍，2005.4.8）
「偶然遇上的驚喜」本週已打入了 rthk Top 10...
撇開有關影片內容方面的爭辯，
我覺得其電影歌曲「偶然遇上的驚喜」
能打入了 rthk 中文歌曲龍虎榜的第十位
是值得感恩的事情喔！
What is the issue?
Based on the past comments from both sides (the supportive and the critical sides, of course, there are also the neutral side), the movie from ME has help many to "believe" but also cause many to "stumble". It has help many to have a better impression of Christianity but also cause many to have a worse impression at the same time. It has attracted some to go to church to know more but also turn some away from church.
The issue is not whether this movie (and all the other products of ME) has "bear fruit" or "stumble others" or not since we will have both and we can't do the calculation to see which side is more. The issue is the conduct and integrity. Are they telling the truth? Do they justify an unacceptable mean in order to have a desirable result? That is the issue.
去年受難曲有叫人包場以延長戲院檔期嗎?
Ken文:朋友曾詰問這是否一場造勢娛樂節目，借傳福音之名，拉攏基督徒製造輿論，call齊人馬包場造勢，好延長戲院檔期。
蘇答:我想到去年在香港的兩套電影：「受難曲」和「天作之盒」，當事人也是用類似的宣傳手法，但我卻沒有看過有人提出這樣的批評。
<=去年受難曲是有包場，但好似沒有呼籲教會包足某一個場次(我記得影音說過是三百場)以延長戲院的檔期bor?
我當時沒有太留意，不知道有沒有朋友有這個印象?
To:Hin 這個牧師的回應令我很失望
原文:
http://www.christianweekly.net/4DACTION/W4D_CWREAD/10313/20/BACK
……來信中似乎是假定了當事人的動機是有問題，所以你才會說：「…是否一場造勢娛樂節目，借福音之名，拉攏基督徒製造輿論…」。
<=第一，這一位蘇牧師不是知道是有心還是無意，但Ken君的來信是為他的「朋友」而轉問問題，而不是Ken本人的問題，文中用「你才會說…..」恐怕是一個錯誤的閱讀吧。而Ken君的朋友，從上文下理來說，應該不是信徒，不知道當有一位非基督徒當面問蘇牧師這個問題，蘇牧師會否如此直接了當?
首先，我們談談當事人的動機問題，假如當事人深深相信這是一個傳福音的好媒介，而且他（們）是為了榮耀神而拍攝這電影，那麼我覺得他們的宣傳是無可厚非了！
<=第二，恐怕又是「無論是真心、或是假意，基督究竟被傳開了」的思維作崇。現在想討論的問題不是動機，而是在於宣傳的手法是否有問題。把問題講了去一些不能被知道的動機去又有什麼用?
至於第二個問題，這電影是否一個好的傳福音媒介，我沒有看過這電影，我不能提供任何意見了，最好還是留待看過的觀眾自己作個結論吧！
<=其實早便不如不答，根本便沒有解決過Ken的問題，遊了一個圈花園，我想Ken 君還是不知道如何回應他的朋友是好。
To Silver Fox: Christian Weekly
Please go to 地球人之"還有這個", 進入後選主網頁,內有蘇穎睿回Ken 之文章.To:Hin
蘇牧師回應過此事?
那一位蘇牧師?可否提供文章的link?
謝謝!
Intentional or unintentional?
Regarding breaking the record of documentary film ticket sale and as the first Chinese documentary film, I think a very importnat word is missing, which is "Christian". If it is referring to Chinese Christian documentary film, it might be true.
Is this missing intentional or unintentional? Please be more careful!!!!
同意william和飲者！
日本右翼美化二戰時侵華的歷史，淡化南京大屠殺的血腥，我感到憤怒！
影音作為基督教機構，理應在聲稱該片是什麼什麼「之最」前，找一點電影歷史的專家問問，翻一翻本地電影史的一點票房數字紀錄。
我不是這方面的專業，手頭亦無資料。但願有修讀本地電影或影迷前輩，能出手幫助指正。(如有)西灣河就有大型的電影資料館，影音負責人理應可在該地查到所要資料。
做人做事理當不要假大空，不是嗎？
Thanks Shamayim
I got it and left a comment there already.
Both 飲者 and William's comments make sense.
回應飲者:實在是大問題
If what 飲者point out is true, that is a big problem.
Since there are so many people could still accept false statements and testimonies under the banner of "Gospel", these things will keep on coming.
Dear pastors, don't you think that we should stop this to go on. If it is a very small organization, the impact might be less but it is still wrong. For ME, the one who almost monopolize the Christian movie market, why would they got the exemption from telling the truth?
Our God is the God of truth and we always claimed that we are spreading the truth of God. Where is the credibility of Christian and Churches? If we want others to respect us, we should at least respect ourselves in the first place.
There are still people felt sorry for ME, felt sorry that "Christians are attacking Christians", what kind of conclusion is that? Where is the very basic Christian common sense?
They didn't find the ark and they claimed they did. Are their movie the first Chinese made documentary movie? Are their movie the most popular documentary movie based on their ticket sales? Please verify these, if they are not true as 飲者pointed out, please exercise your Christian conscience if you still have it working.
Can someone verify 飲者's comment? ME won't reply to this kind of comment for sure, because they will simply use "清者自清" or even better "被罵不還口"!
To 銀狐:Which article?
Which article you are referring to?
Are you referring to the one that Rev. So answer a question about the movie?
Rev. So mentioned about the motivation, if the motivation is for the Gospel, then it is OK but then we don't know the motivation of others. This is no answer at all.
Will ME tell the world that they are not doing this for the Gospel? Even if they are, they won't.
If ME say that they are doing it for the Gospel, does that become the 免死金牌, no way!
The previous movie and this one is totally different, if they didn't claim that they have found the Ark, I don't think there is so much problems. They are just too rush in jumping to a conclusion with the purpose of getting a good response for the movie but I found that as irresponsible.
The problem or concern about ME is not just this movie, there are a lot more besides this movie. We are not trying to discourage our own brothers and sisters in Christ to serve God, definitely not, but it doesn't mean that we should keep silent and don't say a word.
不太小的小問題
一直留意各方對《挪亞方舟》現象的討論，但我未有機會看過片，也暫時未有精力加入議論。龔立人說得好，更要問教會
我看了今期普普文化站於時代論壇轉載的一文章，我覺得那頗能代表一般支持影音的教會言論，我其實不多同意，不知道大家有沒有意見?
Thank you 地球人 and Shamayim
I agreed that we should separate the reporting of Christian Weekly and the movie, thank you Shamayim.
I have viewed all 13 (or 14) of Shamayim's comments regarding the movie and I think we are in the same wavelength.
The articles from 地球人 are good to read, good to see what 龔立人has pointed out.
I think our concerns go beyond the movie and that is why 胡志偉's article on 機構誠信came in the right time.
If we look at ME as an entertaining enterprise, it is easier for us to accept what they are producing but they are lifting up the banner of Christian and evangelism and Christian media and Christian artists and....somehow it is more like a 三不像. But, since they have the 民眾支持, they really care less what Christians are saying.
I don't think we can control what is happening in the Middle East but at least we should seek harmony in our neighborhood. We are not able to solve the problem of global warming or pollution problem but at least we don't throw garbage on the street. What I am saying that even though what we said might not have any effect on ME but at least we can help those in our circle or church to view things and issues in the right way.
ME is ME is not due to what happened in the last few weeks or months. 冰凍三尺, 非一日之寒; in the same way, 三尺冰溶,非一日之暖. Let's keep doing what we are doing and they are not meaningless at all.
To: Hin
謝謝你的意見。我對方舟電影的立場可見於過去數星期裡本論壇的幾個留言區。
至於我支持時代論壇對方舟電影的處理方式，是因為該電影已成眾人關注的事，有必要如實報導。
Indeed it is good
I agreed and rejoiced when Christian songs can be among the top hits, I also rejoiced when people came to know God more, I also agreed that we should report facts as they are.
When I read about the movie in other links of Christian Times, I do think that we can't just look at the numbers and results and disregard some of the basic issues.
By saying it is OK, that means we are promoting the kind of untrue promotions and improper ways of doing ministry. I think this is dangerous.
Can I lie and say that I have discovered the bones of Adam and Eve and then attract people to come and listen to the Gospel? During the meeting, 10,000 people came to Christ and then everybody say that it is OK even appropriate to lie since so many people came to Christ.
The basic teaching of the Bible is "say yes if it is yes and say no if it is no", isn't this obvious. If such a "big" organization can't set a good example for the Christian public, I can't imagine what is going to happen next. Every Christian and every church and every Christian organization can do whatever they want as long as they can attract people.
Being popular doesn't mean acceptable. There are many popular things out there that aren't acceptable to God. I think the ticket sales is a fact, I think the songs are good, it is just the organization that I have concern about.
I hope that Christine and Shamayim both have the chance to look at the links about this movie in 時代講場. If not, read those that are related to the movie, there are a lot of good ones. They are not just saying their subjective views but also have many objective good points.
I am a Christian and I am totally supportive to see Christian songs getting into the top hits, I am also more happy than anything else to see people willing to come and know more about God.
Discernment is important in our Christian lives.
不是好事嗎?
本人還未有時間去看此片,但身邊己有不少報導「挪亞方舟」怎樣好...怎樣不好...至於此片的有關歌曲能打入RTHK的流行榜,相信有聽眾能透過不同的媒介去認識的話,何嘗不是一件好事,只要信息是叫人去反省人生,在傳媒方面也記一功呢.
聖經說: 得時不得時,務要傳道.
